Sparkatb

Does anyone know for sure what exactly is the avoidance cap against higher level epic mobs, the deminishing returns curve and such? Everyone ive ever had a chat with about it all says differantly, ie 70% or 75% average - against same level mobs, and it lowers against higher level mobs, plus the fact that epics have some +% to hit ratio against your avoidance (or is that how it used to be?). I know the def/parry skill caps are 520 or 525 at lvl80, both are capped when raid buffed.

As a guardian self buffed ive got 22% parry, 37% block, 10% riposte, 44% base, 72% average. I used to have slightly more but recently swapped to a bit more offence, had 79.6% avoid in the raid MT group. I have no t8 raid contested gear, yet.

Wondering how much avoidance (riposte or block) i can sacrifice for more aggro/dps. Just need to know what the avoidance cap would be against a lvl85+ epic, maybe its 40, 50, 60% for all i know. Cant test it with ACT due to a raid full of debuffs on the mob.

Theres the templars shield ally and another fighters avoidance buff helping you avoid. With those im usually avoiding about 92% of auto-attack hits, thats not counting a mobs CA's. Would be good to know if im able to lessen my self avoidance (or increase it even more) in the MT group.

CorpalVirus

run ACT when you do VP and right click your name and get an avoidance report, if your not avoiding 75% of the time your not at cap

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Lizerd Keng

Riposte and block are the types of avoidance you DON'T want to sacrifice unless you aboslutely have to, and assuming the healers can keep you alive. When you say riposte I assume you mean the sta-4 ability, which is an extra, uncontested chance. Things like your base (aka agility + defense), and parry are so highly contested, those would be the first types of avoidances that you would probably want to sacrifice - but only if you have to in order to hold aggro. Only sacrifice the minimum amount needed since you're not going to gain alot of dps, but you may be sacrificing your life.

If you're going to use act you probably only want to look at the incoming auto-attacks since many other abilities can't be avoided.

Sparkatb

I say riposte or block because theres nothing else really worth dropping. Def/parry skills are nothing, only way to drop those is by swapping buffs around, not that they make any differance anyway when the mob is debuffed. Agi just goes up with any old gear its not like anyone tries to get that up much.

6% parry from 2 adorns, no point in dropping those just for 60CA dmg.
7-8% riposte from warrior sta line could drop that for something else.
1% block shield adorn, could swap for 1% melee crit.
block in general, just swap out the tower for a buckler for more reactive hate from hold the aggression.
Theres also gear, swapping 5% block for whatever such as 5% *something* crits etc. But 5% block on an item is great, never get rid of those.

Lizerd Keng

The 3% parry adornments are the best there is. These types of parry aren't your normal parry. These are uncontested, and as you said this will ALWAYS be greater than +CA damage. Any time the avoidance is percentage based, it's actually a lot different, as it is uncontested and a total seperate check. The food and drinks with % on them are like this as well.
With 70 points in the warrior tree, you can get all the good dps stuff, and still keep the 8% riposte in sta4...assuming you're already down the stamina line for the double attack, you might as well get this. Might as well drop 2 points for the final ability too imo. 10% saved mana helps on the long fights. There's no where else you can get 10% saved mana and for 2 pts, and assuming you're in the stamina line already, you should get it.
1% melee crit isn't going to do anything for your dps...atleast the 1% block would help a little.
Atleast on the named fights or the occasional hard hitting trash, you shouldn't sacrifice block for anything. Assuming you are a guardian MT, you shouldn't have any problems with aggro, and by swapping out a bunch od defense/block/etc for 10% crits or something will be a minor difference in dps yet a major difference in survivability. You can swap groups around for more/better aggro, but there's no buffs out there that will get you uncontested avoidance like block. (outside of shield ally and other fighter avoidance on you but this can be cast out of group)
But it's up to you and your raid of course. If the healers can keep you up, by all means kill it as fast as you can!

Edit: If you're really avoiding 92% of the auto attacks, I think thats incredible

Sparkatb

Yea 92% but like i said thats total with Monk and Templar avoidance on me both we decent avoidance checks from each of them, mobs CA's tend to land more often. Also with the raid debuffing the mobs CSP that helps, apparantly.

Aggro wise, with a dirge, swash and usually a coercer in group i rarely have aggro issues against single target. But some visits in VP 3rd wing aggro on trash mobs just seems to be all over the place, sometimes i hold aggro better with the coercer and sometimes i hold better without coercer.. its fucked lol. The other VP wings aggro is usually easy, RoK t1-3 zones are usually easy also. But them lvl86+ mobs...

Lizerd Keng

wing 3 is tougher for aggro cause your hit % drops way down vs these higher level mobs. This is where hate transfer would probably be better than hate gain, but having both would be the best. Sometimes getting your skills really high will help, other times not. Along with the dirge, try a warden, maybe even a templar for the skills. But, other times, getting like 60 more melee skills makes no difference at all. Melee hit rates are suppose to be getting adjusted, lets hope.
Withe amount of dps the assassins are putting out right now I think their hate transfer would be really good. Probably better than swash, atleast on single target. All dependant on the amount of dps they are doing.

Yargnit

Only problem there is Assassins DPS (at least in our case) seems to drop off quite a bit in the MT group as opposed to mage group. He's up top usually, just not far and beyond ahead like in the mage group when he's pushing how much hate the MT can hold.

Our tank actually uses the AA mirror, & has the defensive 8% riposte + Dragoon for Phara, Trak, & Avatars, but switches to offensive (full Int line & only far enough down Sta for the double attack) for lower zones & the rest of VP. I think he's still sitting around 73% or so (maybe even a little higher) in offensive AA setup, which is plenty for VP & everything short.

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heidrickla

92% on trash mobs maybe but I seriously doubt on a zonewide. Even if it's a cheezy zone like PR I doubt the zonewide avoidance report for auto attacks is over 80%

Niber

That's not an accurate way of telling your personal avoidance cap.