Lizerd Keng

No! The order does not matter. What makes you think that if you parry less, that you will block more? If that's the case, since block is uncontested, all tanks should get 0 parry vs epic mobs. That way they can block more! To clarify, parry does not equal riposte.

If we're talking about paladin vs monk avoidance buff on the tank, and your going to post avoidance reports, then you should report both for comparison. Someone else reporting the other can not compare since, even if it is the same mob, is a different raid (different buffs, debuffs, etc). Only way to compare is with exact same raid, same equipment, same buffs, same debuffs on the mob, same mob.

I've already done a comparison with fully defensive zerker in tower shield (36% block) vs both an offensive bruiser and an offensive monk. Brawler wins. A full defensive paladin that can get slightly more block than me (but probably less avoidance overall) might be able to beat out the brawler. But a brawler in defensive stance with an additional 16% uncontested? No way. And even the brawler in full defensive offers more to the raid with more dps than a fully defensive paladin. Unless you specifically need another plate tank.

Yes the mob hits harder at the start and uncontested avoidance will help more. But a monk can get almost the same if not more than a paladin and can tsunami if needed, and offer more from then on, in total avoidance and total dps. If this small difference makes a difference in your raid surviving or not within the first 10 seconds, then theres other problems.

jfantasy

riposte is from parry. 20% parry will apply to riposte. do u know?

Assume that a mob attacks tank 100 times. the tank have 30% chance to block attack. he can block 30 times from 100 attacks . assume that the tank can parry 10% of the attacks. since parry will be checked first, the tank will parry 10 times. So only 90 attacks is checked by block. the tank will block 90 x 30% = 27 times.

Choombatta

Yes, the gear from Temple of Kor Sha shows we are stuck in T1.

As for luck, we have been clearing PR since early Feb, and only last night ( 4/30 ) managed to finally get a pair of Trampler Boots ( PR seems to love our Mages, yet hate our Fighters ).

But feel free to continue to make veiled insults about our progression, it will not affect us one bit.

P.S. Do not think I have not noticed how you changed from "not clearing T1 raids" to "clearing only T1 raids", and yet, still manage to be wrong.

Lizerd Keng

don't affect you, yet you keep coming back to clarify, hmm.

I love how people say they don't care etc but continue to post, even when off topic.

I'll be the first to admit, your progression really affects me and everyone reading this. That's why I had to make this post, and read yours.


jfantasy - I see what you're saying, but the order still doesn't matter. The same could be said in reverse if the order first checked block and then parry. And yes I understand you can riposte if you parry, but that has nothing to do with avoidance, the order checked, or how it affects the avoidance buff on a guardian.

boli

The order DOES matter.... parry is counted first.

Krov

Currently running monk avoid and pally mit buffs. This allows maxium value breaking 14k avoidance and more mitigation with buckler spec (sigh no myth yet) then tower build. Also pushing damn near 30% uncontested block with build / gear and augs with the ability to hold a 65 K + parse.

- Krov

Anjin

I'm not insulting your guilds progression at all, far from it. The only thing I'm concerned about (from your guilds perspective) is the decent information thrust infront of you which is ignored. If you or your guild has reasons to have your current setup, fair enough, otherwise, bite the bullet and go for progression rather than pride.

Pinski

No, it doesn't.

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jfantasy

there is some misunderstanding. I mean that if u compare the number of block with other type of avoidance, the order does matter. It doesn't affect the number of hit taken by tank.

Anjin

I'm not sure about the order of the following:

Dirge and Templar Stoneskin
MT avoidance
Templar avoidance
Fighter avoidance

Do the avoidance checks happen before the MT gets a chance to use his/her avoidance, or only a potential 'hit' is rolled on the MT?