galoro

MT grp

Guardian
Mystic
Templar
Dirge
Coercer
Swashbuckler

OT grp

Shadowknight
Templar
Defiler
Dirge
Illusiionist
Assasin

Mage dps grp

Illusionist
Fury
Troubador
Wizard
Conj/Necro
Warlock

Dps grp

Brigand
Dirge
Illusionist
Inquisitor
Ranger
Monk (need monk for raid wide casting times/tsunami etc)

note 4 bards / 4 enchanters needed. Also note only 6 heals needed.
On ultra tough tank mob switch in warden in mt grp for 3 heals but very rarely needed.

The key to dps is the bards and enchanters also parsing high, in fact our illus parse very high as do our dirge. In this setup all classes bar healers can add high individual parses.

Hoss

Trust me, if the assassin doesn't suck, the dehate song is a compelling reason to marry him to a troub. I'm not saying its impossible to live without a troub, but they have to gimp themselves so much. Aren't we talking about ways to increase raidwide DPS? I love peaceful link, but sometimes someone has to lose a dps buff in order for me to get it. Much easier and better for the raid to just have a troub with me.

Plus, I don't think rangers benefit much from the illy's haste. They self buff haste into diminishing returns if im not mistaken. What they really need is dps mod. Assassins need haste.

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Undorett

So, to help continue to derail this thread, we have the following setup currently:

Guard
Temp
Defiler
Warden
Coercer
Dirge

Pally
Defiler (yes a second one)
Inquisitor
Monk
Coercer
Dirge

Troub
Illu
Wizard
Fury
Assassin
Swash

Troub
Illu
Necro
Mystic
Brig
Swash

Could you help me better optimize it for DPS while still maintaining an OT group for adds by reorginizing players without removing classes?

Thanks!

Azleya

Those groups look decent except that the inquisitor is somewhat wasted in group 4. I would switch him with the mystic, and then I suppose I'd switch the mystic again with g2's templar, but it's not a huge deal either way. Once you get the inquisitor into group 3 you have a lot of freedom with respect to the arrangement of the other non-mt priests, though I would try to keep the fury in g4.

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Azleya

You have a lot of scouts grouped with troubadors because you have 2 troubador groups and only 2 non-enchanter mages to be buffed by them, and then you have this OT group that has dirge buffs and a shit ton of dps mod, but it's just buffing 2 tanks. Under your setup, you need to make your OT group a troubador group with the paladin relying on hate siphon from the wizard, or else you'll never acheive decent dps setups. Also, you need to get the 3'rd priest out of the MT group. I would do something like this:

Guardian
Templar
Defiler
Swashbuckler
Coercer
Dirge

Paladin
Defiler
Warden
Wizard
Coercer
Troubador

Dirge
Illusionist
Monk
Inquisitor
Brigand
Swashbuckler

Troubador
Illusionist
Necromancer
Mystic
Fury
Assassin

Just make sure the wizard in g2 is getting the troubador buff and an illu spell proc from out of group.

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Milambers

While I think 3 Illys 1 Coercer is something to aim for, there's nothing wrong with putting a Coercer in a dps group as well as an Illy (5 enchanter setup). Coercers can put out big numbers in DPS groups, as well as giving the group another PoM, DPS, and Links (which in a matter of fact seem to be getting a nice boost in GU51).

I don't really see much in putting a summoner in a group over a 2nd chanter, tbh.

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gankednshanked

troub wizzy illy templar dirge coercer GO

emily3989

Coercer, not Illusionist

stivan

Why would you put the necro in group 4 over the wizard?

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Hadriel

because everybody hates stivan

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