Rangers parsing abilities. - Page 8

Pronoia · 10-24-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthra

This astounds me. It may be because I don't own any T7 fabled bows yet (currnetly have Bow of Flapping Wind which is a slight upgrade to Grzz imo) but I can't parse anywhere near that 1.5k+ range. I have all masters, minus Triple Volley and Amazing Shot, and all my gear is fabled (expect for that damned Adjuntant's Belt and Feet of Sycrachis I still wear) and I can't do anything near those numbers. Since my wife is the guild/raid leader I can influence her to change around the groups to better suit my dps. With all these factors involved, I still can't parse what everyone else is listing. I don't forsee any fabled bows in my future, sans the Wurmslayer short bow, because we left an asshat excuse for a high end guild *cough Nox Arma cough* to start a friendlier high end guild and it'll be a while to train all our players to take out entire zones.

Can anyone throw me a bone and tell me what the hell I need to do to increase my DPS? Just an FYI I do know how to play my class well (have a high hit ranged of 19.055 atm).

-Panthra of Nektulos

Are you running at +100% DPS and haste all the time during the raid? That's a huge factor. T7 ammo from Ichor/Tari bow will also add maybe 200 dps. Max STR and get INT as high as possible.

Outside of the focus 10 seconds, wait for your autoattack to fire then hit the mob with either a bow or Melee CA or two but make sure the attacks are done before the next bow autoattack is due. Missing bow autoattacks can cost you a lot of DPS.

Sinew wrapped longbow from Lyceum is a good upgrade for you. Our other Ranger, when buffed, can hit for 1.6 to 1.7k single target with that (maybe a little higher - I don't really remember other peoples parses).

With my setup I've managed parses around 1.5 to 1.6k zonewide (that's warts and all parsing). I can't get close to the claimed Ranger 2k zonewides I've seen posted around. I don't have any decent proc gear though, so don't know how much effect that would have. Single target 2k's with a following wind are possible but chain pulling raid trash messes up my cast orders a bit, lowering my overall parse.

What I will say is don't sacrifice overall raid DPS just because you can influence the group makeup. Our last raid, we missed a few mellee buffing classes so my own DPS was down, we were still hitting 20k+ on mobs like Pain and Suffering. Who knows, if the groups had shifted to accomodate me, overall parse might have been lower.

Finally, Your high hit shows nothing about your skill - all it shows is you have maxed STR line and fired M1 snipers at a debuffed mob - the rest is down to the RNG.

Pro.

Panthra · 10-25-2006, 12:32 PM

That helped a lot in my DPS planning. My haste is maxed out while my DPS is lacking but I'll work on getting that near 100%. Looks like I need to work on my timing a little more in between my CA's and my auto attack.

On a side note, I will never influence overall raid DPS on named but I'll have her switch it around for trash mobs just to see what it's like.

Thanks for the help.

-Panthra

Pronoia · 10-25-2006, 12:57 PM

Seriously, +DPS is huge. It's the difference between 6.5k and 8.5k crits with the Sarnak bow. That adds up over a zone.

Pro.

Athioc · 10-25-2006, 01:05 PM

Pronoia,

Panthra just sucks.....

j/k Panthra, I know that agitate is huge for rangers so getting a fury in group will help out a ton. I always get melee and scouts to fight over me.

Panthra · 10-26-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Athioc

Pronoia,

Panthra just sucks.....

j/k Panthra, I know that agitate is huge for rangers so getting a fury in group will help out a ton. I always get melee and scouts to fight over me.

Athioc, I know that you're just jealous and I won't hold it against you.

We have tons of druids in guild and all but 1 chose warden. I know you really want to come back to Nektulos and join Purgatory so I'll save you a spot. Tell Fumtik that he's not allowed to transfer back. lol.

-Panthra

Rinion · 10-26-2006, 11:08 AM

Its all about play style. number 1 always stealth after every combat. and open with a big attack as mobs are inc right as they get them positioned. if its a single mob open with veiled Fire, if its a group open with selection and focus aim then rain of arrows. you shouldn't have to worry about agro, Rangers have 41% agro reduction for Christ sake, if a tank cant hold agro ff a ranger from the beginning of battle maybe you need a new tank.

also sorry to burst anyone's bubble but Int Line Sucks. nothing in it is very useful. it makes you reliant on a proc that has a Chance of happening. the poison debuff isn't needed and the final ability, the poison dot is nice damage BUT fights usually don't last long enough for it to run its course.

In my opinion THE BEST AA path to go is 4/4/4/4/8 STR 4/4/4/5/8 AGI, why?
Because While perfectionist only effects two skills one of those skills is the single best skill you have Rain of Arrows, It is our Decapitate NOT Sniper Shot, with perfectionist Rain of Arrow you can use it every 2 minutes and using focus Aim before each cast it crits up to 8k easy, and while they seems less then the poison crits fights Rarely last very long meaning less chance to proc and ain that extra damage where rain of arrows is a Guaranteed Attack, and people that parse will notice that some times the difference between that 1k parse and a 1.5k parse is a mere 1000 damage. Also, With Rain of Arrows you should almost Never lose a AE fight, those mobs die heroics die quickly in a AE fight but if you open with RoA and focus Aim that almost a guaranteed 40k damage in ONE Attack

Now the reason poise is best, well duh have you seen our cast timers? we are almost as bad as wizards for cast times. BUT! we get a 30% cast haste AA..how is that not good? the faster something casts the faster its timer starts and you can use it again...duh well, I wont go into detail of why poise rules, if you cant figure it out please just betray assassin.

Now as for play style YOU HAVE TO SWEET SPOT, burning Ranged CAs and using shitty Stream of Arrow is NOT DPSing Stream of arrow sucks, never use it except to avoid a Fear AoE. Stand I the sweet spot where you can burn al your Melee and Ranged CAs..now this is the important part. NEVER Melee Auto Attack, in-between EVERY Melee CA (with the exception of long blade/ranger blade combo) HIT Range Auto Attack, Your Ranged Auto Attack will ALWAYS hit harder then a Dual Wield Weapon (even Grizfazzle) That's key, Especially if you finally score a sarnak or matron bow...matron is better btw cos the proc..procs FTW

oh one last thing using the style described above invest in 2 Iceforged Sai's they are T5 and don't look great at first, BUT there proc 'IceGale' YA it procs off ranged because of the knock back status effect on it and its a AE proc.
just having 1 of them accounted for 6% of my total damage when according to the guild parser when I first bought one...I quickly bought another. (they are a 10% proc)

to sum it all up! no I don't have a parse to show you, maybe ask Fewson in DH on bazaar server for some parse logs if you really care. on average I did 1.5k to 2k in Deathtoll W/ a Grizzfazzle and all I have to say about Ranger DPSing is sweet spot + Rain of Arrows FTFW.

Other then that EQ2 sucks and I sold my ranger Because Eq2 Rangers arent real rangers they are bow specced rogues. Thank you and good night

Skaer · 10-26-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

Its all about play style. number 1 always stealth after every combat. and open with a big attack as mobs are inc right as they get them positioned. if its a single mob open with veiled Fire, if its a group open with selection and focus aim then rain of arrows. you shouldn't have to worry about agro, Rangers have 41% agro reduction for Christ sake, if a tank cant hold agro ff a ranger from the beginning of battle maybe you need a new tank.

also sorry to burst anyone's bubble but Int Line Sucks. nothing in it is very useful. it makes you reliant on a proc that has a Chance of happening. the poison debuff isn't needed and the final ability, the poison dot is nice damage BUT fights usually don't last long enough for it to run its course.

In my opinion THE BEST AA path to go is 4/4/4/4/8 STR 4/4/4/5/8 AGI, why?
Because While perfectionist only effects two skills one of those skills is the single best skill you have Rain of Arrows, It is our Decapitate NOT Sniper Shot, with perfectionist Rain of Arrow you can use it every 2 minutes and using focus Aim before each cast it crits up to 8k easy, and while they seems less then the poison crits fights Rarely last very long meaning less chance to proc and ain that extra damage where rain of arrows is a Guaranteed Attack, and people that parse will notice that some times the difference between that 1k parse and a 1.5k parse is a mere 1000 damage. Also, With Rain of Arrows you should almost Never lose a AE fight, those mobs die heroics die quickly in a AE fight but if you open with RoA and focus Aim that almost a guaranteed 40k damage in ONE Attack

Now the reason poise is best, well duh have you seen our cast timers? we are almost as bad as wizards for cast times. BUT! we get a 30% cast haste AA..how is that not good? the faster something casts the faster its timer starts and you can use it again...duh well, I wont go into detail of why poise rules, if you cant figure it out please just betray assassin.

Now as for play style YOU HAVE TO SWEET SPOT, burning Ranged CAs and using shitty Stream of Arrow is NOT DPSing Stream of arrow sucks, never use it except to avoid a Fear AoE. Stand I the sweet spot where you can burn al your Melee and Ranged CAs..now this is the important part. NEVER Melee Auto Attack, in-between EVERY Melee CA (with the exception of long blade/ranger blade combo) HIT Range Auto Attack, Your Ranged Auto Attack will ALWAYS hit harder then a Dual Wield Weapon (even Grizfazzle) That's key, Especially if you finally score a sarnak or matron bow...matron is better btw cos the proc..procs FTW

oh one last thing using the style described above invest in 2 Iceforged Sai's they are T5 and don't look great at first, BUT there proc 'IceGale' YA it procs off ranged because of the knock back status effect on it and its a AE proc.
just having 1 of them accounted for 6% of my total damage when according to the guild parser when I first bought one...I quickly bought another. (they are a 10% proc)

to sum it all up! no I don't have a parse to show you, maybe ask Fewson in DH on bazaar server for some parse logs if you really care. on average I did 1.5k to 2k in Deathtoll W/ a Grizzfazzle and all I have to say about Ranger DPSing is sweet spot + Rain of Arrows FTFW.

Other then that EQ2 sucks and I sold my ranger Because Eq2 Rangers arent real rangers they are bow specced rogues. Thank you and good night

You're banking on a 2k increase to rain of arrows every three minutes and 14% crit chance on melee, other than 52% crit chance on ALL procs. Hmm, with grizz in DT?

Unless you wait five minutes between every fight for all your temps to come back up, those numbers are bullshit. I put up 2k on every eyeball and worm fight, and i'm not doing 1.5k-2k zone wides in DT. That's WITH Sarnakk and Baz'kul ammo. Also, those DWs are bugged, and shouldn't be proc'ing, and that's a large % of your DPS.. so you're just using a bug to get your numbers.

Although, it is due in large part to playstyle, and AGI/INT is the way to go, as opposed to STR/AGI.. I've tested the numbers with that exact playstyle.

Rinion · 10-26-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaer

You're banking on a 2k increase to rain of arrows every three minutes and 14% crit chance on melee, other than 52% crit chance on ALL procs. Hmm, with grizz in DT?

Unless you wait five minutes between every fight for all your temps to come back up, those numbers are bullshit. I put up 2k on every eyeball and worm fight, and i'm not doing 1.5k-2k zone wides in DT. That's WITH Sarnakk and Baz'kul ammo. Also, those DWs are bugged, and shouldn't be proc'ing, and that's a large % of your DPS.. so you're just using a bug to get your numbers.

Although, it is due in large part to playstyle, and AGI/INT is the way to go, as opposed to STR/AGI.. I've tested the numbers with that exact playstyle.

1) I never said zone wide, I said on average as in per a fight, I also said I didnt have any parses to link because I quit the game.
2) with perfectionist Rain of Arrows is a 2min recast. (did your research huh?)
3) those dual wields aren't bugged because knockdown IS a Status effect and knockdown is apart of there proc, it is simply a knock down that does damage and Staus Effects ARE meant to cross over.

So uh, I take it you prefure just half reading posts and replying with 'thats bullshit' and 'your using a bug to get those numbers' or would you like to tell us about you 'research'.

Rinion · 10-26-2006, 12:39 PM

oh one more thing, i may have had a grizzfazzle bow but looking at your profile my Gear owned yours. judging by the gear i saw you arent even capped on STR are you? and you can't tell me Capping STR doesnt make a difference.

Asismii · 10-26-2006, 04:45 PM

i agree with Rin, i hate the int line... i dont want to have to go and cut something unless i have no ranged skills up and my auto attack just went off... i have ASWB and t8 arrows, and i kill parses.. but i didnt go with Str either

8 str
4-4-4-8-1 agi
8 sta
5 int

or something.. to me the only real good one was agi.. and like i said i kill parses.. and anyone who has played with me can tell you that too =-)