Moorgard DPS Tiers - Page 3

Laodaron · 03-23-2007, 11:06 AM

Haha you retards. No class in this game is overpowered. Especially Summoners. And this is a PvE discussion, PvE utility vs DPS is a different animal.

gungo · 03-23-2007, 11:15 AM

In the end the dps tier was recanted because its not a set pattern. In some fights certain classes will do better then other regardless of the dps tier. People would then refer to the dps tier and complain about being out dpsed. In some cases some classes are more dependant on gear or skill to reach thier ideal dps. In some cases there max potential dps exceeded thier idela dps w certain setups. Certain classes benefited more from buffs then others. The point being a straight up dps chart is not reliable and the dev team then said this chart should not be followed. I still think that dps chart was always the intent, but its not set in stone.

Frogdorr · 03-23-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

Haha you retards. No class in this game is overpowered. Especially Summoners. And this is a PvE discussion, PvE utility vs DPS is a different animal.

QFT.

Argyuile · 03-23-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Morara

The tiers in descending order of DPS:

Necromancers
Crippled children
Certain trees
Sponges
Concrete
All other EQ2 classes

Thats bullcrap my concrete out DPS's sponges ON EVERY PARSE.

Anarke · 03-23-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

No, anyone who brings up the utility argument is the fucking idiot. Ever seen an assassin told no in a raid guild? Ever seen a raid guild that was assassin-less not recruiting one? Wanna know why you haven't? Because they are still a desirable class. How can you be so fucking biased against another group of classes? Play your own shit, don't worry about someone else, and you won't appear to be a whiny retarded bitch on forums.

You just don't get how fucking stupid you sound. Of course you think you should have good utility and great dps, you are a conjuror moron. Do you not remember KoS or were you too fucking gimp to even raid? Do you realize elite guilds such as disso etc. didnt even have rangers in their guild? Want to know why? Because other classes with more utility did the same or better dps making rangers useless and it wasn't just brigands. That just shoots hole in your argument all over and you are too fucking stupid to even realize it.

I don't really play anymore, haven't in quite some time and I couldn't care less if swashbucklers or whatever outdps assassins. What I do care about is dumb cunts like yourself acting like you have a fucking clue and spamming your retarded shit all over the place. So get the fuck lost, no one wants to see your level 30 take on this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

Oh, and what do Debuffs have to do with your personal DPS? Improve it maybe? Improve their own? How does the fact that a Rogue has debuffs even affect anything in this DPS tier theory? That's like saying that because my pet procs an elemental and magic debuff that my pet's personal DPS needs reduced. Not only does that not make sense, its ludicrous.

Utility vs. dps. If I can debuff the mob very well, maybe buff a group member or two, and do great dps why the fuck would anyone want a pure dps class? Answer, they wouldn't. See above example about KoS rangers and don't give me bullshit about the balance of the raid. You wouldn't know how to balance a raid if your life depended on it.

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

No one likes losing on a parse. No one wants to feel as though they aren't getting their credit. And everyone wants to feel desired. Its human nature. But everyone is doing good enough in EoF. But really, people like this Anarke retard make me have to post....so Nesse, no more replying here.

It must really eat a hole in your ass when you lose a parse eh? Luckily for me I dominated everyone in my guild and rarely lost a parse, how convenient.

I just laughed when you called me a retard, really isn't much I can say back to it. It's like one of those morons in high school who is in all the tech prep classes and tells the AP students they are retarded. Ahh the irony.

Cochy · 03-23-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

Haha you retards. No class in this game is overpowered. Especially Summoners.

This quote alone shows how much of a moron you really are. Conjuror's aren't overpowered? What planet are you living on. Lets just compare Warlocks to Conjuror's as Warlocks are the AE DPS masters or supposed to be. Why does a warlock have to worry about aggro every AE fight in the game while a conjuror honestly doesn't have to worry about aggro much at all(while parsing close to a warlock or above in certain situations) and can still parse near the top on single targets. A warlock can parse respectively on singles but won't be near the top of a parse usually.

Correct me if I am wrong but many top Summoner's admit the class is overpowered (Ishbu is the one that comes to mind and I am sure there are others).

MeridianR · 03-23-2007, 05:10 PM

See I resigned myself to the fact the Summoners are always going to be overpowered, but Swashies (and Illusionists...welll good Illusionists) are in my belief also right at the top of the list.

Laodaron · 03-23-2007, 05:37 PM

I certainly am glad that I don't get outparsed by people then come to boards and claim how overpowered they are. Our utility does not define our desirability. You guys are presenting an argument that that doesn't even apply. Think I get invited for pyreshield or ember seed to a raid? Think that any more than one of any class gets invited to a raid because of their utility?
Again, I'll say it because apparently you guys are too dense to get it. No raiding guild goes without a predator. No raiding guild goes without a rogue, a summoner, any of the priests, bards, etc. Know why? Cause everyone is as close to balanced as it'll ever get and no amount of crying on forums cause one of them beat you on a parse will fix that.

Laodaron · 03-23-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochy

This quote alone shows how much of a moron you really are. Conjuror's aren't overpowered? What planet are you living on. Lets just compare Warlocks to Conjuror's as Warlocks are the AE DPS masters or supposed to be. Why does a warlock have to worry about aggro every AE fight in the game while a conjuror honestly doesn't have to worry about aggro much at all(while parsing close to a warlock or above in certain situations) and can still parse near the top on single targets. A warlock can parse respectively on singles but won't be near the top of a parse usually.

Correct me if I am wrong but many top Summoner's admit the class is overpowered (Ishbu is the one that comes to mind and I am sure there are others).

Find the right raid setup and a lock can and will lead a parse. Also, I'd like a link to a recent Ishbu post about Conjurors being overpowered please. Or you can find one that shows that Conjurors and everyone else are pretty much where they should be with the ever present exception to the rule.

MeridianR · 03-23-2007, 05:42 PM

No guilds go without a predator eh? Aren't Rangers predators?

Also please show me where a good Swashie (not one who has no fucking clue what they are doing) loses parses to a good Brigand.

On AE fights a Brig isn't going to touch a Swashie, and while it's closer on single targets, a good Swashie still owns a good Brig.