Anyone else with 2 Crusaders? - Page 2

Sylvanking · 10-12-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by curuw

wow that was dumb

It's not just a problem with crusaders either, all mid 70's tanks will have problems finding grps ... a mid 70 tank is just not all that useful.

It has to do more with the role of the class and gear along with zones available etc .. when you aren't max level, level is very important as well as gear and mid 70's is a very bad spot to be for a tank. The zones you can tank are kinda limited if you can't get a TSO going your options shrink to just a handful of heroic zones : Unrest, Shard of Fear etc ..

If you don't understand this .. well .. Lets face it the mid 70's sucks for all classes because for TSOs the 80's wanna be with other 80's. That and the whole Rok solo from 70-80 expansion.

And yeah that 80 scout with 13k hps is going to tank better than you in RoK gear .. sorry.

Pantheron · 10-12-2009, 08:20 PM

Got both mythed/t4 gear etc etc.

Rolled Sk as another alt to see what all the fuss is about.

Dps and buffs is pretty amazing,soloing is hax...still think pally is more fun though.

As the above pallies said...trade off is dps/buffs vs incoming dmg/ability to take more of a beating in a longer fight.

Whilst on the topic...fix stonewall !

Nektulos-Tuor · 10-22-2009, 01:06 PM

if you guys think crusaders are awsome,
Roll A GUARDIAN! See how painful it is not to delete your character!

hotmess · 10-23-2009, 06:02 AM

With a wizard main I can tell you my favorite tank, hands down is paladin. Even when i'm not the amends target I rarely if ever have agro problems. Plus I find that a paladin is very nice to go on small groups with because when a healer is lacking pallies can keep themselves alive better while also having the chance to rez fallen party members. The utility of a rez is just huge in my opinion.

ZaiTh · 10-23-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by curuw

wow that was dumb

No.....

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Originally Posted by curuw

my pally is 72 i just hate fucking rok+tso questing

but that was.

Paladin is the easiest to hold aggro. Tbh though, there are a lot of great tanks that can hold aggro just fine no matter the class excluding Guardians and Brawlers.

You dont see many Guardians or Brawlers MT anything these days, somewhat closely followed by Zerkers (IMO). Why go with hard mode when it is not necessary?

SacDaddy · 10-24-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hotmess

With a wizard main I can tell you my favorite tank, hands down is paladin. Even when i'm not the amends target I rarely if ever have agro problems.

step up your game, imo. a paly amending someone over me is never gonna tank. with amends he'll never lose aggro.

Vainamoinen · 10-28-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Harowen

As a coercer I much prefer grouping with an sk than a pally. Even with the pally having amends on me, their significant lack of dps means I still rip aggro off of whatever they're not targeting.

As stated prior, 10% cast/reuse is the best group buff in the game. Not only do pally's not have anything to compare, no other tank class has anything remotely close either.

Maybe it's just the mentality behind the class, but almost all the sk's I've grouped with have been more gung-ho dps focused and the pally's tend to be more guardian-like in mentality focusing on defensive gear and survivability instead of dps.

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Originally Posted by Stonestrong

You must be grouping/raiding with some terrible paladins. The last problem any Paladin should have is aggro. The only 2 things that a Shadowknight has that I'd like would be the +10 casting and reuse and Furor. Other than that I have played both extensively and I will trade off the extra dps for the other tools we have available any day......

What Stone said...

I play a pally for the DPS, the utility and the aggro control. Pallies that can't do this are doing something wrong.

malos · 10-30-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZaiTh

No.....

but that was.

Paladin is the easiest to hold aggro. Tbh though, there are a lot of great tanks that can hold aggro just fine no matter the class excluding Guardians and Brawlers.

You dont see many Guardians or Brawlers MT anything these days, somewhat closely followed by Zerkers (IMO). Why go with hard mode when it is not necessary?

That is why Tso has been such a horrible expac for guards and brawlers. Once players seen how easy it is with crusaders tanking they basically dropped the brawlers, guard, and in some minor cases the zerker.

Having brawlers, guards, and zerkers as tank means waiting for right hate/support classes to fill the group. Without those key support classes the adventure will be longer and frustrating. Crusader groups do not take that long to fill since aggro issues will not be that much of an issue. Power issues would be the only bane for a crusader.

Illuminator · 10-31-2009, 12:22 AM

SK's also have raidwide 5% base damage. I have an 80 paladin but then I created an 80 SK on top of that once I realized that swapping illusionist out for coercer would make up all the difference in hate and dps. One thing very underappreciated is the fact that SK's have more spells than paladins, and this works beautifully when grouped with a wizard and troub, not to mention you never lose the full recast to misses.

Divine Favor + Stonewall vs. Bloodletter + tsunami? ***** please. Without Amends, paladins are shit.

p.s. Ok, I forgot about the Paladin mythical. An item defining the class. Brilliant.