the_mo

edit. also: when grabbing mythicals, clerics get another 15 (inq) or 20 (templar) spellhaste bonus... whereas defilers get.. zero spellhaste on their myth

err...edit!=quote, gotta use the correct button next time

mafoe

Shamans get increased cast speed for curing, which is 50% of what a healer does in TSO.

Defiler heal stance increases cast speed for debuffs, while templar heal stance is overall worse and decreases cast speed for debuffs.

/shrug

If you really wanna point out something, then it should be the stun immunity on the templar mythical.

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the_mo

why would i care about the stun immunity if all i was gonna say is that clerics got better spellhaste than defilers. i also tend to prefer non-shamans to do the curing in the groups and while herbal expertise may not be the worst thing to spec, i still think its highly overrated.

also if yer gonna bring up heal stances... inq's heal stance got another spellhaste bonus, that defilers dont get, kinda supports my point

Thundaarr

I cannot speak as to which healer you should take for your 4 boxing, although templars DO get quite a bit of passive stuff (stoneskin, shield ally) and if you keep group and single target reactives up along with repent you can prevent quite a bit of incoming dmg. That along with your spell that heals the group when a mob in encounter dies is quite a bit if you're being careful and boxing.

If you're boxing though I would go with SK over paladin. Paladins DO get superiour aggro control, but your overall dps will suffer as SK's can heal themselves with lifetaps and the paladin must stop dps to heal themselves. In addition the ability to evac, bloodletter, FD, and Furor are all very nice abilities to have. I have a paladin and love playing it, but I can recognize the shortcomings of my class when it would come to boxing and when it comes to survivability.

Marvis

My main is a defiler and when I'm boxing I'm using a templar.

It is clear that a shaman will be less effective if the whole group requires healing. If you do content where mainly your tank gets damaged, I don't see why a shaman would ever be harder to box than any other class.

I personally prefer the templar for boxing due to the passive defensive abilities (stoneskin, shield ally) and especially sanctuary which pretty much makes certain targets trivial to box.

I can only recommend the templar, even though I prefer to play a defiler as main (when not boxing).

EDIT: Ah yes, pimp your tank and healing won't be much of an issue, really.

Dillin

I don't know if there is specifically a "perfect healer" for this instance. It all goes back to play style. I've done OK boxing a Swash/Warden/Lock (Although not easy to make all 3 effective) but I prefer my Zerker/Templar/Assassin a lot more. I'm more comfortable with my Temp and the assassin I just turn on auto attack and go to town on the Zerk

Gunter

Not sure if this helps you - but I box an inq... put her in total DPS melee spec... and with the off hand Angelic thing from hate - she adds a lot of DPS and is constantly spamming grp heal procs with the off hand from hate (the sister drop). I literally never have to heal with her, and her Fanatical devotion grp melee proc is nice... its almost like a constant chime (with her in total melee spec she pretty much spams constant interupts also)...

the_mo

yea i guess thats pretty awesome, although somewhat item-dependant... considering the star of malice is rare as fuck, sadly. but that + dirge for proc chance boost and defensive buffs sound pretty solid

faulteroy

I've been levelling the dirge and inq with my SK, and the inq feels a lot better in terms of manageability.

Now that I've played both, I can actually quantify what makes it easier to box an inq: being able to see the health bar go down and pace your heals accordingly.

If I was playing the defiler primary, I'd be able to see the ward value on the maintained window and pace my heals/recasts that way, but I wasn't - I'd just see a huge chunk of damage come in, shit my pants, and die. Now if I see the tank taking too much damage, I can just evac/feign and avoid the wipe.

If I decide to rehash my old group, I'm going to end up playing the defiler primary as the SK is dead-stupidly-simple to play as long as I keep Grave Sac/Tap Veins on individual hotkeys.

Thanks for all of the input guys.

Pouncer

Does your defiler have T2 or T3 armor? Greater bane warding is insane damage when you get that 3 set bonus.

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