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Looking for some help.

We have a guardian Tank with Dirge and Swashy or Assassin for hate transfer.

Our caster group usually has a couple warlocks in it with a troubador and fury.

We use a MA who everyone targets through (or supposed to...)

Swashy and Assassin are usually on top of the parse or very near to it.

We always seem to have issues with multi-encounter mobs where mobs peel off, and start running through the caster group.

Our tank is taunting, single and AOE, and attacking and is often on the parse so he is doing some decent dps as well.

Our MA waits a bit before getting a target to give the tank some time to get some aggro and the warlocks swear they aren't opening up with giant AOE nukes.

Hell we even tried putting a coercer in the MT group and taking a healer out to get additional hate but that didn't help either.

Any thoughts? Yes we are a noob raid group, Still working on clearing FTH.

Arraza

Yup. Don't use a MA unless you need it for a particular encounter.

There are a many reasons that your MA and your MT could end up on different targets, and directing all of your DPS onto a target that is not the MT's target is going to cause targets to peal off an encounter.

If you REALLY want to use an MA ALL the time, then your MA has to be on the ball and constantly re-assisting the MT so that you don't end up on different targets.

Henladar Bloodheart

That wont help with Warlocks pulling AE agro. (which seems to be the problem here)

Fact is... Guardians just are not the best AE agro keeping people out there. While your warlocks do have a troub i personally feel the just need to just adjust to the tank ETC because a warlock can pull AE hate anytime they want to.

Also.. if your using a MA... tell your tank to switch between targets trying to keep decent agro on all of them. If the swash/assassin is on the MA it will give the tank the extra hate he needs on the mob being burned down to keep it while also putting extra hate on other mobs so warlocks ETC pull less agro.

timmeh

This is not good advice at all. Using an MA for a number of reasons is the proper thing to do. Make sure the dps is not targetting the MA, they should be targetting the mob so they know when they have aggro and to run it back. Also the MA does die sometimes, its good not to be targetted on the MA when this happens.

Besides gear upgrades for both the tank and de-hate proc upgrades for the warlocks the best thing to do are the following:

1. - the guardian should use plant. this will root the mobs to him preventing them from running back to kill the warlocks
2. - have the MA wait a second or two on the assist call.
3. - setup a 2nd tank group which is AE focused. A zerker or paladin+warlock or paladin+zerke are all good choices..

Some combination of the above is going to be your aggro happiness.

Kordianjr

Something else your MT may want to try has well and thats cycling through the mobs you are fighting, hitting and taunting each one as often as possible. This tactic works pretty good for the Paladin we have tanking, although it isn't perfect.

We've occasionally put a warlock in the mt group with amends to get some aoe hate gain. Also may want to see if the swashy is aoeing??

Faxon

try doing pal + swashy w/amends unless the warlock isnt on top because he has too hold back. and btw, you dont really need more than a cleric and a sham in the MT group for heals unless the mob is doing MASSIVE damage and/or lots of aoe damage on the mt group. most raids roll with 2 healers a tank and 3 agro buffers in the MT group now because their DPS is just too powerful without the extra hate. different tanks do better in different situations tho, so dont forget its always going too be different depending on the situation.

ed: another idea you can do if you are heavy on healers is dual tank mobs. if you split mobs most tanks dont need more than 2-3 healers too keep them up so long as you are on top of cures. this way each tank can go all out holding agro on a smaller group and your DPS can burn as hard as they want too. esp in FTH when there are those groups of 4, it can be tough too keep a weaker tank up on pull due too spike damage. split the damage and the hate and you gain in more ways than one

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disterbed

1. make sure your mages are using thier deaggro spells each and every time they are up

2. Use an MA, who ever said don't use one is an idiot. Make sure MA gets target from MT and stays on that target the whole time til its dead and then gets next target from MT. In doing so this allows the MT to cycle through the targets and then assist MA to attain his original target easily without any confusion; which means that the MT needs an assist macro as well for the MA.

3. Make sure the MT is cycling through the mobs hitting them individually and taunting them individually to try and maintain an even amount of aggro on all of em. Also for grp encounters he can throw his taunts then use reinforcement and then use his true AE and then goading assault and they will proc reinforcement on all the mobs, which will help.

4. If you are assisting right your ppl will have a macro set up that will /assist MA and will therefor be targeting the mob instead of the MA and doing so will enable them to see if/when they pull aggro and run to the tank. If your mages/dps suck about paying attention then make your OT get off his ass and grab up loose mobs and bring back to MT.

5. Next time that leet ass pimp weapon drops make sure your MT has it and also make sure he is AA speced for tanking which is debateable on what to choose kos wise but thats a diferent thread.

6. And finally if your healers can handle it tell your MT to tank in offensive stance.

Kookynotes

A troub just cant help a warlock no matter what..it takes more than our deaggro. Maybe trying a Pally will help to an extent but I think a majority of the time it just means Dead pally since the troubs deaggro isnt helping him any. Only thing I can think to suggest is phaze from an illusionist perhaps.

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Ishbu

Lol I love the people saying that using an MA is the proper way. Why is it in the proper way? Your relying on that one person to assist the MT and get on the right mob at all times rather than trusting yourself.

I for one would rather not play with retards and play with people who actually have an idea whats going on and know what they should be attacking with a tank who makes it known if there is possibly some confusion. If your smart and play well there is absolutely no reason for a MA or to hold back ever. All your going to do is slow things down.

If one person can get the right target, everyone can get the right target. If people in your guild actually need an MA they need to be booted.

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Gtwo

Botz need MA's, lol

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