The real fighter fix - Page 3

Shandreya · 07-27-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

I liked this idea i posted so i figure i would give it its own thread.
Here are some crazy ideas brought about from this thread.

Well, the crazy ideas part is certainly correct. It's probably a blessing to us all that you have no hand whatsoever in game design :p

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Originally Posted by gungo

Step 1
Remove uncontested avodiance from shield block.
No tank needs uncontested avodiance to tank epic encounters in the first place. Warrior tanking/avodiance is already entirely to easy.

As opposed to Paladins, who actually have more uncontested avoidance than Warriors? We should be rushing to nerf them too? Down with easy mode pallies!

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Originally Posted by gungo

Step 2
Make amends raid wide
Now you have a reason to bring a paladin on raid. He can now control the overagroer as well as being the best agro OT. Leave the + 90 heal thing in (non raid wide) who cares its useless anyway. Put strength back in though most paladins rather have the strength thats how bad + heals are.

? what? you already have a reason to bring a paladin to a raid - to tank, if you have need of an OT.

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Originally Posted by gungo

Step 3
Make some bard buffs that require concentration raid wide. The main reason why a bard or enc has to be in each group is power regen. So at least make Bria's raid wide. It actually makes the most sense. Can even split the value in half and allow a raid wide dirge bria and troub bria to stack thus requiring both classes.

This is probably the only thing that you have said that makes any sense whatsoever. Everyone I know raids with at least 4 bards if possible, and they probably each indirectly contribute at least twice the DPS of the highest DPS class on the raid sans bard buffs. The problem of course would be that you would in effect be making an already incredibly powerful set of classes even more powerful.

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Originally Posted by gungo

Step 4
Give monks a group (not raid wide) buff that increases spell and combat art speed by 10%. Give them an ability that lowers their group hate (if not fighter). Fighters are suppose to protect and control the battle, not buff.

Give monks a buff, because Fighters aren't supposed to buff. What? Are you reading what you type?

Thing is, you actually have it right when you say that fighters aren't supposed to buff - it's just too bad that the rest of your post(s) center on how to make fighters better buff bots.

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Originally Posted by gungo

HOLY SHIT HEAR IS A NOVEL IDEA. REMOVE BLOCK FROM BEING UNCONTESTED. THEN FOR EACH FIGHTER IN RAID THE MAIN TANK WILL TANK BETTER.

HOLY SHIT DOES THIS MEAN W A FIGHTER IN RAID IT MAKES OTHER PEOPLE DO A BETTER JOB AND THEN IT LIMITS THE ABILITY BASED ON CONC SLOTS. WHAT A NOVEL FUCKING IDEA.

Right. There's classes that do what you want, they are bards and healers. If you want to play a fighter and not tank, then you should not be playing a fighter, that is what they are there for, to tank, not to buff. What's more, most self-respecting tanks would want nothing to do with these ideas - I've never seen a good Paladin come up to me and say damn, I really want to find a guild to be an Amends bot in, that would be fucking uber.

gungo · 07-27-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleyn

Well, the crazy ideas part is certainly correct. It's probably a blessing to us all that you have no hand whatsoever in game design :p

As opposed to Paladins, who actually have more uncontested avoidance than Warriors? We should be rushing to nerf them too? Down with easy mode pallies! By changing shield block to contested avoidance the paladin bonus would be contested as well.

? what? you already have a reason to bring a paladin to a raid - to tank, if you have need of an OT. The amends raid wide idea has been proven to be a bad concept. The rest is what is already in game/test. so no change here other then raid wide buffs being a bad idea.

This is probably the only thing that you have said that makes any sense whatsoever. Everyone I know raids with at least 4 bards if possible, and they probably each indirectly contribute at least twice the DPS of the highest DPS class on the raid sans bard buffs. The problem of course would be that you would in effect be making an already incredibly powerful set of classes even more powerful.
They would be more powerful but less required in each group. This is not ment to nerf or take away bard buffs. They provide plenty to thier group.

Give monks a buff, because Fighters aren't supposed to buff. What? Are you reading what you type? Both buffs suggested are already in game and on test. What i am saying is a raid wide buff is a bad idea. And fighters are ment to protect, deal w adds, control agro, and generally increase the raids survivability, NOT be taken into a raid for 1 raid wide buff.

Right. There's classes that do what you want, they are bards and healers. "If you want to play a fighter and not tank, then you should not be playing a fighter, that is what they are there for, to tank, not to buff." < makes no fucking sense. What's more, most self-respecting tanks would want nothing to do with these ideas - I've never seen a good Paladin come up to me and say damn, I really want to find a guild to be an Amends bot in, that would be fucking uber.

It doesn't make any fighter a buff bitch instead this concept allows any fighter to work with other fighters in order to control, agro, tank, and protect thier raid/group better. You could have a shadowknight offtanking and with these fighter buffs do a comparable job, but in the end bringing additional fighters subclasses to raids while increasing the raids increases the raids survivability.

Shandreya · 07-27-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

but in the end bringing additional fighters subclasses to raids while increasing the raids increases the raids survivability.

This is my point. You are suggesting that, simply by their presence, fighters increase the raid's survivability. There is a name for what you propose - being a buff bot - this is what I was trying to illustrate in my post.

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Originally Posted by gungo

If you want to play a fighter and not tank, then you should not be playing a fighter, that is what they are there for, to tank, not to buff." < makes no fucking sense.

And what you said makes no fucking sense, what exactly is difficult to understand about the fact that the role of fighters in group and raid content is to tank, and that if you do not wish to be tanking and taking an active role on raids, you should play a class which lends itself to a less active role.

Casting a buff on someone isn't "working with them to tank the mobs". It's casting a buff on them. If this makes you happy, I've already made suggestions on ways to improve your enjoyment of the game by playing a different class.

Lyxson · 07-29-2007, 05:30 AM

I do not know of a Mystic who has gone all the way down the wisdom line for alacrity, unless I am thinking of a different spell, so he wouldn't be able to give that buff to a ranger.

Ishbu · 07-29-2007, 06:14 AM

Wow so everyone shot down Gungo's ideas in the other thread so he made a new one?

Here is why you fail. You make claims about how easy things are or how trivial other things are, yet your guild cant even kill everything or even close to everything in game. If its so damn easy how come you fail?

Mahgnus · 07-29-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Here's why a Paladin is far better than any other tank for aggro if amends is raid-wide. He gets the 50% Hate gain, AND you can put 50% hate gain on their amends target. Imagine this, Warlock in a group with a Dirge, Templar, Wizard, Illusionist, Ranger. Warlock gets hate-buffed from the Dirge, and Amends to the Paladin in the MT Group. Could you imagine how much hate gain that is?

Just the thought of raid wide amends is...is... just wow

gungo · 07-29-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

Wow so everyone shot down Gungo's ideas in the other thread so he made a new one?

Here is why you fail. You make claims about how easy things are or how trivial other things are, yet your guild cant even kill everything or even close to everything in game. If its so damn easy how come you fail?

You still are a fuking moron. Fear and brell are RANDOM. In fact i have never even seen brell and fear well he was up sometime in february or march last time i saw him.

Morara · 07-29-2007, 09:33 AM

Aren't all the avatar spawns based on the amount of people who worship the gods?

Pinski · 07-29-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gungo

You still are a fuking moron. Fear and brell are RANDOM. In fact i have never even seen brell and fear well he was up sometime in february or march last time i saw him.

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Originally Posted by Morara

Aren't all the avatar spawns based on the amount of people who worship the gods?

Yes. They are not random. They are easily predictable.

gungo · 07-29-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Yes. They are not random. They are easily predictable.

OK then easily predict what the 4k+ players on crushbone are worshipping. So i know when exactly aofear will pop.