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    Hey dumbshit. Better players than you are telling you paly and guard are the best MT choices. Shut up and go back to eating dicks. Sorry that a fucking fail fury that couldnt cure a curse if his life depended on it couldnt keep me up on hand then went to your shit guild and tried to make himself look good by bashing me. But it was funny when I watched your old fail guilds hand of vallon stream there was that same fail healer retarding up on the cures.

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    Open Firefox to masturbate
    Get dragged into retard fight

    ITT:
    Blanka needs his class to be overpowered because bad
    Duele needs his class to be overpowered because bad

    Much love Blanka for supporting what I'm saying, but I don't care one way or the other.

    Duele IS chicken little, however, and no amount of bullshitting is going to change the fact that he has no actual grasp on what is going on. You might as well have just listed off the colors of your mom's vibrators as proof that brawlers are OP. Arousing information for some, but irrelevant for the rest of us. Most of your examples talk about your shortcomings as a shadowknight, and how brawlers SEEMINGLY don't suffer from them. The burden of proof lies with you, since you're the one making these outrageous claims.

    That's how this shit works, broham.


    No proof you have ever had even remotely constitutes "hard evidence", except your raging anti-brawler boner.

    News flash, Dueleycakes. The top 50% of brawlers are just good enough to overcome their shortcomings.
    The top 90% of SKs are also, but you're not one of them.


    P.S. I'm pretty proud of the boner joke.
    "hard evidence"

    /thread
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    Berserkers live longer than both guardians and monks combined when the raid is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maergoth View Post
    Open Firefox to masturbate
    Get dragged into retard fight

    ITT:
    Blanka needs his class to be overpowered because bad
    Duele needs his class to be overpowered because bad

    Much love Blanka for supporting what I'm saying, but I don't care one way or the other.

    Duele IS chicken little, however, and no amount of bullshitting is going to change the fact that he has no actual grasp on what is going on. You might as well have just listed off the colors of your mom's vibrators as proof that brawlers are OP. Arousing information for some, but irrelevant for the rest of us. Most of your examples talk about your shortcomings as a shadowknight, and how brawlers SEEMINGLY don't suffer from them. The burden of proof lies with you, since you're the one making these outrageous claims.

    That's how this shit works, broham.


    No proof you have ever had even remotely constitutes "hard evidence", except your raging anti-brawler boner.

    News flash, Dueleycakes. The top 50% of brawlers are just good enough to overcome their shortcomings.
    The top 90% of SKs are also, but you're not one of them.


    P.S. I'm pretty proud of the boner joke.
    "hard evidence"

    /thread
    Funny since a huge chunk of your own raid force can tell you differently about my abilities as a SK. I am sorry that you are still pissed off at me for not saying Paladins were so sucky for DoV and instead said both Crusaders needed boosts at that time. Really get over it.

    I am still waiting for either one of you to come out and tell me why any raid at all should choose to use a Paladin/Guard to MT over a Monk. Just because you "said so" is the fucking dumbest thing I have ever heard. Tell me why.

    Than you can tell me why the reason I said don't make Monks the best MT choice. Easily enough survivability to survive anything thrown at them with some of the best temp abilities on fast cool down. More personal DPS than either Paladins or Guards probably combined while tanking. And providing more group DPS utility helping things melt faster.

    We know that Paladins have short-comings on snaps and DPS compared to Monks. We know that Guards fall short on DPS compared to Monks.

    Really, convince this person that posted WHY you think Paladins/Guards are the best MTs out there. Stop being fucking douche bags and tell us why besides it just being your fucking ego Maer.

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    You're a jarhead, aren't you?
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    wow it sickens me to even believe your a person, no human being would say this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maergoth View Post
    You're a jarhead, aren't you?
    Nopers.

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    Aww Maer dont hate, we agree on something. I actually would just like monks to get a few things fixed and have a group buff.

    Ill try and keep this civil just because Duele doesn't need me calling him a retard since he does such a good job showing it off to everyone himself.

    Monk MTing suffers from a lack of damage reductions and an over dependance on temps for survival. Damage reductions are huge right now, ask Buffrat. People like Duele tend to overrate combat masterys utility in fact for main tanking purposes it is much better to spec tag team or stone cold.

    Even if the average spread of combat arts was 50% of total which it is probably more like 30% combat mastery would just be an increase of 25% for 12 seconds out of every 1.5 mins which is 13% of the time. Its sloppy math but thats roughly a 3.3% increase in combat arts overall and really it is more like 2%. Of course thats not taking into account auto attacks but in 12 secs most will probably only get off 3-4 auto attack rounds. My guess is CM probably increases group dps by 5-7% at best which is nice but nowhere near as overpowered as people make out and that is a best case scenario. Realistically it is probably a 4% increase on group dps. They also see the big numbers and dont realize to get them monks do have to sacrifice lots of the other things Duele claims we have available to us all the time. Is combat mastery better than say being able to immune to melee a wiped dps for 8 seconds on a memwiping mob every minute? Or a group 15% reduction to damage every minute, I would say each has their use only people overrate CM so the others are just wrote off as garbage, but if you are going to say monks have the best utility because of one buff they may or may not have its a weak arguement.

    The other thing Duele likes to mention often is the monk deathsave which is up all of 1 minute out of every 3. Its good but he tends to act like it makes monks never die. Sure you can also bookend superior guard around your deathsave to extend it one way on both sides but at that point you are still looking at the need for death prevents from outside the the monks own which is exactly what you would do with other tanks.

    As far as snaps go devs have already shown they have finally gotten it and are going to make our force targets workable so that is great news for crusaders and really just kills Dueles whole argument monks have the most snaps so they should MT.

    For the record I actually think Palys and Guards should be the better tanks, I can out dps both of them so of course they should be able to tank better. Its not like every tank class cant MT content right now anyways because they can just some are the better choice.

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    Monks really do have the best/most snaps of any tank, and if they make force targets work it's just going to get worse with Peel. That isn't to say anything about who should be tanking and why, but Monks definitely have the snaps in the bag by far.

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    OP asked what was being used, and if that is what would continue being used. I gave the most accurate answer possible, and more of an explanation than was requested.

    Content changes, and what is needed now might not be what is needed later.

    I can say, with certainty, that snaps are why people are using brawlers as MTs right now. And because Reckless isn't as good on a brawler as a Crusader.
    Combat mastery is good, but it's better in a scout group. Brawler DPS is alright, but it's better in a scout group.

    Pretty sure the "ideal" right now is two single healer offtank groups, one containing scouts and brawler, and one containing mages and SK. Brawler is great with one healer because he can survive almost entirely off of saves until the MT can get the mob back. Versus a Paladin for example which, despite a longer duration save rotation, is mostly damage reduction. SK does well with one healer because most spam adds are heroic and not immune to control effects. You take very little damage from spam adds.

    And then Paladin or Guardian MT. Guardian if your offtanks are bad. They have a lot of good crutch utlity. Paladin has better long term survivability. if I hear "You are a lot easier to heal than *Insert every other tank here*" one more time, I'm just going to completely drop my left side prestige so they'll shut the hell up.


    What you fail to understand, Duele, is that it's not that brawlers are BAD maintanks. It's that they're better offtanks. Paladins and Guardians are better main tanks than offtanks.
    If you don't know why, just do some research.

    Seriously.

    They don't pay me to teach you.
    They don't pay me at all.

    The only thing that main tanks need snaps for is complete memshuffles, which are (hopefully) on the way out the door. Even shitty paladin snaps suffice for getting mobs off of offtanks which (given enough snaps) will always have the mob. That's kind of their job, besides dealing with adds (Which is what the SK is for)

    See how all of this comes together?


    And then, like I said before, nobody gives the slightest fuck about min-mazing anymore which is why nobody has proven you wrong.
    Nobody cares enough to dispel tradition with innovation.

    It's not worth the effort, and the game is too easy to care.. for most people. Yourself obviously not included.

    And for the record..

    /thread means the thread is over. Yes, my ego enables that command. Yes, Buffrat is immune to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery View Post
    Monks really do have the best/most snaps of any tank, and if they make force targets work it's just going to get worse with Peel. That isn't to say anything about who should be tanking and why, but Monks definitely have the snaps in the bag by far.
    If they spec for it they have too many, its overkill. If I was looking to nerf a monk snaps Id drop the positional off provoking stance but then give Hidden Openings some range.

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