Enymac

Perhaps it my imagination then. I can cast Crystal Blast then Effigy, then Bewilderment, and then Winds of Velious and have to wait for Crystal Blast to show up.
My CB recast time is 2.4 (Clearly not as good as Xalmarts 2.3)
Cast time for Effigy is 0.75 seconds and WOV is 0.75 seconds and Bewilderment is 0.38 Seconds if I Cast Earthquake 1.00 seconds, I then can cast Crystal Blast again.

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bigron

Sure you want to put together a string with aa well dont forget arcane dagger .

But with normal rotation of spells its not possible....and dont forget about recovery time you seem to forget that in your little castin order.

Try to do all the math you want.... with recovery alone that you seem to have forgoten .........your done after Effiggy and WoV.

And we are talking optimal dps in a casting order also. CB>effigy>WoV>CB>Bewilderment>Earthquake>CB

That above Would prob be optimal for this block of spells.

And also not to mention all these spell being up within a 2.4 sec time
frame is highly unlikly unless its the start of a encounter.Then you should adjust it cause optimaly WoV is prob best to come out with.

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Harowen

You're on a good line of reasoning by mathing out your spells, but your math is a little bit wrong.

This section specifically:

Let's say the cast time of my spell is 2s. I have 13 of cast time modifiers. That's actually 13% of cast time modification. I will times 2*.13 which will result in .26 I take the original cast time 2.0 and minus the resulting time of my modifiers .26 which results in 1.74, the final Cast time of the spell.

Yet now I want to find out the cast time would be with Allegro, which is 7.5 modifier. I add 13+7.5 which is 20.5. I take the Cast Time of the spell 2*.205 which is .41 I then minus it from 2.0 - .41 = 1.59 the final result if I have a bard in my group.

The formula is 1 / (1 + haste), then multiply that by the base time.
So 13% cast haste is 1 / 1.13 = .884955 * 2.0s base cast time = 1.77, slightly higher than the 1.74 you listed.

Including Allegro would then be 1 / 1.205 = .82987 * 2.0s base cast time = 1.66s.

The final result at 100% cast haste would be 1 / 2 = .5, your method would take 2 * 1.0 = 2s taken off the cast time and reduce it to zero.

Xalmat

Looking at some logs, here's my actual spell cast order on a recent named fight where I get to go full DPS. Keep in mind that I have Upbeat Tempo and I'm probably getting regularly Jcapped.

Precast Blazing Avatar, EU, Plane Shift
Fiery Annihilation
Winds of Velious (toggle)
Crystal Blast
Vampire Bats
Crystal Blast
Fiery Annihilation
Crystal Blast
Petrify
Shattered Earth
Master Strike
Crystal Blast
Fiery Annihilation
Winds of Velious (toggle)
Crystal Blast
Bewilderment
Fiery Annihilation
Crystal Blast
Earthquake
Crystal Blast
Winds of Velious (toggle)
Shattered Earth
Crystal Blast
Fiery Annihilation
Winds of Velious (toggle)
Crystal Blast
Blazing Avatar
Crystal Blast
Fiery Annihilation
Earthquake
Crystal Blast
Petrify
Crystal Blast

etc etc etc.

Should come as no surprise that Crystal Blast and Fiery Annihilation are my biggest hitters, followed by Blaze, then Shattered Earth, and just about everything else falls in line.

If you're wondering why I toggle Wov and not let it tick:

It triggers Precision of the Maestro, Peace of Mind, Ice Lash, and has a chance to proc Synergism, Aria of Magic, and item procs. It also keeps me from having any kind of downtime in my rotation.

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Harduc

Thanks for the detailed spell rotation Xalmat :D

I can see I have been using CB way too little, only about every third spell rather than every other spell. I do have a couple of questions though:

1. you cast Vampire bats early in the fight, I have always seen as worse than our swarm pets, is this for pure altruistic reasons or does it do more damage than it used to?

2. you do a petrify->SE->MS with no CB inbetween, Is because you popped Najena ring or mob got dispatched? and if it was the ring, does it add enough spell mod to petrify to make it worth casting it at all? why not bewilderment in the najena's ring chain?

3. no communion, have you skipped this all together or do you cast it on inc when PS is down? (I figure you time BA,EU and PS so PS lands just as the mob hits the camp)

4. How many mobs in an encounter before you start to add Ice Storm to the rotation?

I had actually stopped to toggle WoV after the proc nerf, but it seems worth to do still I guess, for the reasons you mention and well, I ran out of AA's before I got to enhance it :P

Xalmat

1. Probably altruistic reasons. It is affected by +Spell Damage despite what the tooltip says, and getting Vampire Bats in early in the fight helps out melee DPS a little bit. Plus I'm waiting for debuffs to get in before I go balls out with my big stuff.

2. I don't have a Najena's Ring, but I do have a Trak Belt, and I'm usually waiting for Dispatch as well. So when I do something like that it's because of those reasons. Bewilderment is also worth pairing with a Trak Belt.

Or it could be because I just got Jcap'd.

Najena's Ring doesn't do crap for Crystal Blast, but it greatly helps out Master Strike, Bewilderment, Shattered Earth, Fiery Annihilation, Winds of Velious, and Vampire Bats.

3. I stopped casting Communion because it screws with ACT triggers for when my pet gets hit by a reactive. Plus it's damn hard to time it just right.

4. A fight like Gynok, Ice Storm is cast every time the spell is up if there are 2 or more mobs alive. Fights like Xebnok where you got waves of adds, I usually hit my big AEs (Shattered Earth + Earthquake), and if the mobs still happen to be alive *then* I'll cast Ice Storm. Single mob fights, I only cast Ice Storm if nothing else is up; even Vampire Bats will do more damage than Ice Storm against single mobs.

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Nescarot

Does someone really wait till the spell has ticked out to recast...never thought not to just recast it ...my idea of it was keeps dmg on the mob reguardless....and any dmg is good dmg imo.....If its not grey and you have power cast the damn thing!

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