fjzig

lol thx scio i guess first rule of crit is dont ask about crit?

Erem

This is what I dont like about your line: With gear and raidbuffs, putting 5 points into spell cast reductions will most likely be a waste. In my current gear set-up 3 points into spell reduction Evocation line will put CB at 1.12, and raid buffs take care of the .12 left over. That gives me 10 extra points to mess with. I would seriously recommend putting 5 into WoV as it will boost DPS when the same spell takes less time to do damage and then get that extra stone skin or work out a way to get a cast reduction on your pet.

bigron

So you have about 50 pct haste in raids?

Because you would need that much to drop say CB from 1.4 secs down to 1 sec cast time.

AA decreases cast time... at its base.
So 10 pct spell casting haste is not the same at 1.4 secs compared to 2 sec cast time.

Atleast thats the ways its always been if something has been changed.

Id suspect most would be sitting at around 20 pct spell haste....considering tc or UT is more benifical on sorcers and mostL<conj> wont see those buffs majority of the time.

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Erem

I get what youre saying but even without raid buffs my CB with 3 points spent comes to 1.12. Which means I am getting .28 from my gear. I dont know if additional reduction buffs reduces from base or not but even using my set up with good but not great gear means putting 4 points into base reduction is a waste no matter how you look at it, and 5 would be even worse. I would honestly hope you have even better gear than I do, and that might lower spell cast even further and thus make the need to max out your evocations line pointless.

bigron

I have best gear in game for most part and i have 7 pct spell haste.
Preety much i need 4-5 points in main evoction spells.....full time to take into account if i dont get the premo buffs.

Its a good trade off.... id rather have the best gear in game then get to reduce tics to gain 30 pct damage increase from WoV .

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bigron

Ok just rechecked im at 7 pct cast haste and also 7 pct on hostile spells giveing me 14 pct on the spells that matter in evoc line.Even going just 4 point in CB it does not cap me i would be at 1.03 cast speed.

Now of corse with 8 pct from troub this would be capped...but still im gonna stay with full 5 points in every spell but wov.Simple reason never know when might be with out a troub or any casting buffs.Why put my self into that spot where there would be a case of me not being at max damage potential?

Only to gain 60 dps on one spell but gimp my self off 5 other spells cause the troub couldnt show up that day..... Unless i can reach max cast speed on the 5 other spells without outside buffs then i dont see much point to reduceing AA to evoc line.

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Xalmat

Exactly.

Plus you never know when that uber +Spell Haste item you might be wearing will get replaced by something better (IE: Eye Mounted Ring gets replaced by a Blackened Band of Devastation or w/e) so it would force you to redo your AA when you get your gear upgraded.

For each point you take away from an Evocation ability, you need 20% spell haste to replace it outright.

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Erem

You're really stressing over .03 seconds? I think the amount of dps being gained by sticking those extra points into WoV and then letting your raid hammer out that .03 per CB is worth it, but hey... whatever

bigron

Yes id rather have faster casting on 5 spells as well as maxing out proc chance generation over every class in game....then 60 dps....and less for you or most people simnce im near 100 pct + base damage.

That is the life of a min/maxer and why those guilds strive and excell...because we squeeze every possible bit if its in the positive.

Not maxing out cast times for your best spells over adding minimum dps for 1 spell is not a positive direction imo.

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Erem

Well your life as a min/maxer is kind of pointless without a troubador anyway.