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Old 06-04-2008, 03:44 AM  
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Default Couple Questions from a somewhat new raiding conjy (Long Post)

Just switched from Assassin to Conjuror, changed servers.

I'm parsing between 3k-5k, and while I'm still a bit new at the class, I played one as an alt for a while. Got a few questions, maybe I can get some insight from ya all. If anyone has any insight, please be as blunt and as brutal as necessary to get me on the right track.

1: Casting Order I'm currently using, yell at me if its off at all.

Blazing Manifestation before pull, Communion when the countdown to pull gets to about 2.

Send in Pet, Pyro, Aqueous Serpents.
Elemental Unity
Winds of Velious
Crystal Blast
Effigy
Shattered Tectonics
Crystal Blast
Earthquake
Solidify
Effigy
Crystal Blast
Torrent
Animated Dagger
Crystal Blast
Effigy
Vampire Bats

Then I start looping as everything comes up, with priority on higher parsing spells (Crystal Blast, Effigy, Earthquake, Shattered Tectonics)

I always make sure to use Plane Shift at the same time as Elemental Unity, and don't waste times on swarm pets while running that combo.

Anything I should change about this casting order?


2: AA Choices

Summoner:
Str 4-5-4-8
Wis 4-6-4-8-2
Int 4-4-6-8-2

Conjuror


Here, I've tweaked a few things and I'm not sure where I should be. I have no need for Group Stoneskin, my group rarely dies pet rarely dies, and I'll have mythical next week. (Forgot to re apply my damn Venril buff when we did Tier 1-3 yesterday, so when we cleared VP today I missed out on getting my mythical)

Figured those were the logical places to put for DPS until I got my mythical pet, then drop the rest of the points out of the stoneskins tree and put them into faster casting swarm pets and Plane Shift mods.

3. Gear

Currently Wearing:

Envy's Cowl
Cloak of Woven Silk
Robe of Dark Power
Symbol of the Eaten
Woven Silk Underlay
Fish Embroidered Gloves
Belt: Very shaky on, details underneath
Pantaloons of Mystical Silk
Phantom Boots of the Wastes

Bloodthirsty Choker
Bangle of Thuuga
Remorsleess Hoop
Burning Band
Burdened Signet
Tormented Bracelet of Doom
Lichloom Bracelet
Danak Wishbone
Marcus' Lucky Coin

Fridgid Piercer (will switch to Mythical asap)
Dark Orb of the Mind
Praetor's Guard

Now comes the part where I'm looking for a little help. I have tons of other gear in my bags, and I'm not sure which I should switch in and out. With this setup, I have 750 spell mod, over 80% crit raid buffed (including Second Sight, Sathirian Scroll of Combat, Fiery Magma Infusion)

Here's what I have in my bags that I've been testing, but haven't been wearing too much, and can't decide on (the t7 proc gear has seemed to have absolutely terrible resist rates. Out of 60 mob kills in SoH and Executioner's Throne Room, BCG landed 34 times, Orb of Invoker even less, and Breath of Destroyer even less.)

Snakecharmer's Bauble
Breath of the Destroyer
Slippers of the Unrepentant
Necromantic Orb of the Reveler
BCG
Necklace of Pain
Slippers of Al'Kabor
Ring of the Four Winds
Blood of the Brood Watcher
Insulated Sash
Diviner's Sash of Alacrity (belt I'm currently wearing, since BCG seems to land so little)
Robe of Ancient Terrors
Frostfired Mantle
Sorcerous Gloves
Vine-Wrapped Boots

My decisions were based off of:

Helm: Don't have Fuschia Finery or Hood of Dark Dealings yet. Breath of Destroyer seems to hardly land.

Cloak: Need I explain:

BP: Since Robe of Ancient Terrors is 10% damage, not 10% base, I'm wearing Robe of Dark Power instead.

Shoulders: 2 crit + 25 spell damage + 2% faster casting way outdoes +90 spell damage imo

Bracers: I don't have anything better

Gloves: 2 crit, 75 spell damage, 1% faster casting > 4 crit? Haven't been able to decide here. I'm already over 80% crit in raid.

Belt: BCG Seems to never land. +85 Spell damage + 2% faster casting > 2 crit in my situation?

Pants: Have nothing better. Need any of the various sexy +spell damage pants.

Boots: Not sure what to choose here. +120 spell damage permanently, or +10% damage increase from Vine Wrapped? What exactly does the +10% damage do, since its not the same as base damage?

Jewelery is self explanatory....

Rings: 3 Crit, +70 damage > 5% reuse? I can't decide. I'd love a Signet of Betrayal for the sick proc, but it'll be a while before I see it.

Bracelet: Need a will bender to replace Lichloom.
Charm slots: Need the Wicked Wand of Malice and other sexy charm slot items from SoH.

My Gear Wish List for the moment:
Mythical
Wicked Wand of Malice
Hood of Dark Dealings
-Fuschia Finery in the mean time
Stud of Blackest Obsidian
Fatalisis Leggings
Crystal Gift
Leviathan Sealed Cowl (shaky on this one, 4 crit > 2 crit, +25 SD, 2% casting speed?)
-Will Bender
Gloves of Elemental Fascination
Slippers of Elemental Fascination

Pretty sure our 4 set piece isn't worth popping on our other pices... the BP and the Shoulders also seem decent


4. Pet Management

I run ACT, so I only toss out Swarm Pets right after AE's have landed. I pull my main pet out so Bubble can be used during AE's, or use the Death Save or mini mana shield, depending on the AE. (Is Bubble needed with Mythical Pet?)

I often will get up close to the mob (to be in range for Earthquake) and will call servant on top of me to make sure line of sight is not an issue. All protect tabs are off.

5. Other notes
I did 400 tinkering for the Feign Deaths, Power clickys, Death save, CoT, etc.

Sol Ro deity for Wrath of Burning Prince and Ro's Fury.

Usually have one if not two bards and a chanter. Also get a warlock or templar from time to time.

Any other tips or hints would be greatly appreciated. I've read through all the threads, not sure what else I can change or if I should just be satisfied with my typical 3-5k parses (should go up a bit with Mythical.)
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Old 06-04-2008, 03:49 AM  
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Oh and last note... Absolutely 0 masters. All Adept 3.
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:03 AM  
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Actually there are at least three threads in this section that cover all of the questions that you just asked.... I know ya mean well or you prolly couldn't find em... Or maybe you just wanted the easy answer, but i switched mains from inquisitor to conjy and i was able to find all those answers already discussed ad nausium. Join the summoner channel to pick up any new tidbits and to laugh at some of the knuckle heads that talk in there...
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I'd say no masters, no mythical, 4k is a very solid average. But I haven't played in a few months.
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No Masters and No Mythical with 3-5K is above Average IMHO.
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Actually there are at least three threads in this section that cover all of the questions that you just asked.... I know ya mean well or you prolly couldn't find em... Or maybe you just wanted the easy answer, but i switched mains from inquisitor to conjy and i was able to find all those answers already discussed ad nausium. Join the summoner channel to pick up any new tidbits and to laugh at some of the knuckle heads that talk in there...
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These are questions I still have after hours of poring over the threads and not getting solid answers to what I'm looking for.

So I should be satisfied with these numbers? Getting my mythical next week, how much difference does it make?
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another 1k.
Add in about half of your masters, probably another 500.

So with some masters and mythical, look for 4.5-6k at your numbers. I never got my mythical, so I just know its adds about 1k.
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So no hints, nothing glaringly wrong in my current ideas of how I should be playing/gearing/aa spec'ing?
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your gear is pretty nice tbh, even though you dont have any set pieces/mythical id still die for a dark orb of mind..and i never got a praetors.

most of your stuff is good spell order is good
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So no hints, nothing glaringly wrong in my current ideas of how I should be playing/gearing/aa spec'ing?
heh just noticed that PM ya sent..............everything looks fine.

couple things dont be afraid to melee and when get mythical get those freed up points from

enhanced DS/geotic/and bubble and maybe enhance PS...grab pojnts from FW


As far as wether to not use the proc item....take the ext dps that is provided through those items and compare it to what can replace it with.

If getting 1 pct dps from proc item ...then replaceing with a 3 crit item is preety much a wash.

1 crit is generally 1/3 of 1 pct increase in dps ......curved less with mob level becasue you crit less verse higher level mob......[also proc less]

IIRC 30 +spell damage= 1 xcrit till reach +spell damage max for the certain spell.



And it preety much all depends on how much generall dps you are putting out.Procs will be preety much consistant but baseing crit dps is based off your own dps.\

Here is example say your breath of destroyer is puitting out 40 dps.Conj a is putting out overall 3k dps and conj b is putting out 5k dps.Conj a would get more out of breath then a 3 crit item then conj b.
Therorectically that 3 crit item would give 30 dps increase to conj a and 50 increase to conj b.

So breath would be generally better for conj a and crit better for conj b for that specific encounter at that time.

Everything varies and its always a case of reevaulating gear choices depending on each charector.
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