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01-16-2009, 06:06 PM
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by Odeon
"The main problem with "Swarm Pets" IMHO is that they qualify as a pet for the bad stuff.. detrimental effects AE's etc , but they don't qualify as pets for the enhancement effects"
This is the big problem, as Khylan rightly points out. I've never considered the Fish/Pyro as actual pets, as we have no control over them or what they do, yet they're fully susceptable (spelling?) to detrimental, and general obliteration by even the most minor aoe's.
Just turn them into a 'spell' and get it over and done with. Having a another pet window for each temporary pet will just work out to be a pain in the arse. I'd much rather have them work as any other offencive spell, and be able to beef them up with crits, spell damage, base damage etc and ideally they'll be elemental type spells too
Right now the class needs that little extra boost, and something like that might make a difference.
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100% agree
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01-17-2009, 04:58 PM
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Character: Namlaera
Guild: Soulforged
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by Odeon
"The main problem with "Swarm Pets" IMHO is that they qualify as a pet for the bad stuff.. detrimental effects AE's etc , but they don't qualify as pets for the enhancement effects"
This is the big problem, as Khylan rightly points out. I've never considered the Fish/Pyro as actual pets, as we have no control over them or what they do, yet they're fully susceptable (spelling?) to detrimental, and general obliteration by even the most minor aoe's.
Just turn them into a 'spell' and get it over and done with. Having a another pet window for each temporary pet will just work out to be a pain in the arse. I'd much rather have them work as any other offencive spell, and be able to beef them up with crits, spell damage, base damage etc and ideally they'll be elemental type spells too
Right now the class needs that little extra boost, and something like that might make a difference.
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Exactly.
Although, I will say, I've casted Aqeous/Pyro/Communion, and they've all lasted through their full durations every now and then against Xebnok (Spinning Fury...etc). And other times they wont, Not quite sure how....(This is right before the charm)
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01-20-2009, 02:11 PM
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Character: Diknak
Guild: Conquest
Server: Butcherblock
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
well, I firmly believe that swarm pets should be getting the buff from the proc. The robe was just fixed in today's hotfix. It is no longer casting 100% of the time, so it shows that they looked into how the robe is functioning and didn't change the swarm pet aspect of it. In the long thread that I started, the fact that it was being placed on swarm pets was even reported to a dev through a PM on the official forums and they didn't change it. Either they did a half ass job of fixing it, or after looking into it a little more, they decided to keep it procing on swarm pets.
I haven't run the parse yet today, but someone did and said it was still procing on swarm pets. I will confirm tonight when I get home from work.
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01-20-2009, 05:32 PM
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Character: Bigron
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by Diknak
well, I firmly believe that swarm pets should be getting the buff from the proc. The robe was just fixed in today's hotfix. It is no longer casting 100% of the time, so it shows that they looked into how the robe is functioning and didn't change the swarm pet aspect of it. In the long thread that I started, the fact that it was being placed on swarm pets was even reported to a dev through a PM on the official forums and they didn't change it. Either they did a half ass job of fixing it, or after looking into it a little more, they decided to keep it procing on swarm pets.
I haven't run the parse yet today, but someone did and said it was still procing on swarm pets. I will confirm tonight when I get home from work.
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The PM i got from fyreflyte said that that swarm pets arent suppose to be procing this and asked me if they was doing that...i never sent another PM.....so should i...since they arent suppose to be procing off swarm pets?
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01-20-2009, 07:54 PM
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Character: Crevice
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
It is still proccing off swarm pets. Honestly, though I think its fine as is. The robe is pretty useful in its current state; if it didn't proc off swarm pets I'd say it prob wouldn't be.
Actually, more to the point, it makes swarm pets worth it. Whereas without the proc they are not worth the time it takes to cast them.
Last edited by Crevice; 01-20-2009 at 08:07 PM.
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01-20-2009, 11:05 PM
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Character: Diknak
Guild: Conquest
Server: Butcherblock
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by bigron
The PM i got from fyreflyte said that that swarm pets arent suppose to be procing this and asked me if they was doing that...i never sent another PM.....so should i...since they arent suppose to be procing off swarm pets?
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lol, I don't think that is necessary. But it's possible that when she brought it to the attention of the dev that designed the item, he said, "oh, it is supposed to proc on swarm pets". It doesn't matter who is right at this point, but it does say something that when you specifically brought it to her attention, that portion of the effect wasn't altered, even after the item was adjusted.
It looks like they did add a cap to the swarm pets that it can proc on at once. Casting order: Communion, Aqueous, Dagger, Pyro. When I did that, Pryo didn't proc a single time, even though if you clicked on him, he had the icon. When I cast him first and aqueous last, it switched and aqueous didn't proc anything. (Once my communion or dagger went down, the aqueous started proccing). So it does look like they did something to the swarm pets. Can anyone else confirm this?
edit: Casting aqueous first got me about 140 power per sec. Casting it last got me about 90.
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01-21-2009, 11:16 AM
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Squishy does NOT mean useless...just check the Parse if you have questions.
Character: Khylan
Guild: Retired
Server: Crushbone
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by bigron
The PM i got from fyreflyte said that that swarm pets arent suppose to be procing this and asked me if they was doing that...i never sent another PM.....so should i...since they arent suppose to be procing off swarm pets?
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I understnad the robe as it currently stands does indeed give the Conjy a leg up, but not reporting the bug does not help the Class in the long run. If the Devs don't see us as we really are.. a class that needs revision and some tuning then we will never be fixed. As much as I hate to say that and be the bad guy.. reality states in order to be fixed as a class the devs HAVE to see how far behind the Conjy class is in relation to other DPS classes with no utility. A bandaid of a broken robe will mask the core potential of the class and once again class revision will be put on the back burner.
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01-21-2009, 12:32 PM
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Character: Crevice
Guild: What
Server: Unrest
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
The robe proc is fine as is imo. It is not the default choice any longer, and it barely does 1.5% of my DPS, down from 10 -15%. It does not boost our DPS compared to the VP robe or RoDP so I don't believe it is artifically inflating our DPS as it once was.
Nor is it making it impossible for the group to drop below 95% power any more. However, it still returns a decent amount of power to the group and so is still situationally useful.
Last edited by Crevice; 01-21-2009 at 12:41 PM.
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01-21-2009, 01:25 PM
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Character: Diknak
Guild: Conquest
Server: Butcherblock
Posts: 1,618
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Re: What are "Qualifying Pets"?
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Originally Posted by Khylan
I understnad the robe as it currently stands does indeed give the Conjy a leg up, but not reporting the bug does not help the Class in the long run. If the Devs don't see us as we really are.. a class that needs revision and some tuning then we will never be fixed. As much as I hate to say that and be the bad guy.. reality states in order to be fixed as a class the devs HAVE to see how far behind the Conjy class is in relation to other DPS classes with no utility. A bandaid of a broken robe will mask the core potential of the class and once again class revision will be put on the back burner.
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I agree, the robe was way overpowered before the fix. As it stands now, it is not going to be generating numbers much different than if it wasn't proccing on swarm pets. It was doing 17% of my total damage and now it is 2%. Very good fix imo.
Send the PM if you think that is necessary, but I think the robe should be proccing on the swarm pets. Aside from the description having different verbiage than other pet mod gear in the game, they have already altered the swarm pet portion of the item and it is still proccing on swarm pets. Before, it procced on every swarm pet, now there is a limit on how many it can proc on at once. I think it is working as intended now.
Last edited by Diknak; 01-21-2009 at 01:27 PM.
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