Conjuror Fan Faire Info - Page 3

Tiermes · 06-27-2009, 03:02 PM

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Our gear totally sucks compared to all of the other mages.

Illu gear sucks, right, especially the +2 prismatic proc bonuses

agressiv · 06-27-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiermes

Illu gear sucks, right, especially the +2 prismatic proc bonuses

Oh you really don't want to go there.

Compare the Illusionist Set to the Wizard Set.

Wizard Set
+31 Spell Crit
+19 Crit Bonus
+405 Spell Damage
+21 Base Spell Damage
+10 Hostile Reuse
+10 Cast Speed

+15 Second Reuse to Ice Comet (Amazing)
+15% Base Damage to Ice Comet (Amazing)
+60 Second Reuse to Fusion (Amazing)

Illusionist Set
+22 Spell Crit
+3 Spell Crit Bonus
+245 Spell Damage
+10 Base Spell Damage
+8 Hostile Reuse
+5 Beneficial Ruse
+20 Resistability

+5 Crit Bonus During Mana Shoud (Situationally OK)
+15 Base Damage to Synergism (Very Good)
+225 Damage to Synergism (Good)
+5 Spell Crit Bonus to Synergism Target (Amazing)
+120 Damage to Chromatic Shower (Good)
+2 Ticks to Prismatic Chaos (Amazing)
Damage Proc + Arcane Debuff (Very Good)

So, the Wizard gets:
+9 More Spell Crit
+16(!) More Spell Crit Bonus
+11 More Base Spell Damage
+160 More Spell Damage
+2 More Hostile Reuse
+10 Cast Haste, which we Don't really Care about, and Wizards don't really care much about +5 Beneficial Reuse.

There is NO comparison whatsoever. The little fluff the Illusionist gets is no where close. The Wizard Set completely OWNS the Illusionist Set. The Coercer set isn't much better, but does provide some useful buffs (15% Cast Haste to the Group, which we had on our VP set, 5% Melee Crit Bonus, good for others, 10% Base to the Target of Hate, again, useful for others, 3 Ticks for Hostage, which we had on our VP set)

So, yes, Chanter set gear sucks compared to our other mage counterparts. The Summoner set is also amazing and on par with Sorcerers.

So yes, it sucks that they nerf us through gear.

agressiv

Mordith · 06-28-2009, 02:27 AM

I just saw this from http://fanfaire08.feldoncentral.com/:

Conjuror mythical pet will reach cap in mid-80s so limited effectiveness. Will evaluate.

Fizbiz · 06-28-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by agressiv

Oh you really don't want to go there.

Compare the Illusionist Set to the Wizard Set.

Wizard Set
+31 Spell Crit
+19 Crit Bonus
+405 Spell Damage
+21 Base Spell Damage
+10 Hostile Reuse
+10 Cast Speed

+15 Second Reuse to Ice Comet (Amazing)
+15% Base Damage to Ice Comet (Amazing)
+60 Second Reuse to Fusion (Amazing)

Illusionist Set
+22 Spell Crit
+3 Spell Crit Bonus
+245 Spell Damage
+10 Base Spell Damage
+8 Hostile Reuse
+5 Beneficial Ruse
+20 Resistability

+5 Crit Bonus During Mana Shoud (Situationally OK)
+15 Base Damage to Synergism (Very Good)
+225 Damage to Synergism (Good)
+5 Spell Crit Bonus to Synergism Target (Amazing)
+120 Damage to Chromatic Shower (Good)
+2 Ticks to Prismatic Chaos (Amazing)
Damage Proc + Arcane Debuff (Very Good)

So, the Wizard gets:
+9 More Spell Crit
+16(!) More Spell Crit Bonus
+11 More Base Spell Damage
+160 More Spell Damage
+2 More Hostile Reuse
+10 Cast Haste, which we Don't really Care about, and Wizards don't really care much about +5 Beneficial Reuse.

There is NO comparison whatsoever. The little fluff the Illusionist gets is no where close. The Wizard Set completely OWNS the Illusionist Set. The Coercer set isn't much better, but does provide some useful buffs (15% Cast Haste to the Group, which we had on our VP set, 5% Melee Crit Bonus, good for others, 10% Base to the Target of Hate, again, useful for others, 3 Ticks for Hostage, which we had on our VP set)

So, yes, Chanter set gear sucks compared to our other mage counterparts. The Summoner set is also amazing and on par with Sorcerers.

So yes, it sucks that they nerf us through gear.

agressiv

I have an illy and I agree totally that the illy class set blows chunks.

That said you can replace the class set with other gear and get mad dps. Proc gear was the shit and is still extremely good for illys face it. Ya illys got nerfed 15-25% depending on your proc gear but your still doing great dps with the BEST fucking buffs in the game.

Cry me a river dude.

And yes summoner gear at the tier is good because we have been screwed for a Looong time and they thought the gear would make up the difference. It doesnt.

illusionists are fun to play. But it is true their class gear does suck. But when you can do tier 1 dps and still have 4 guarantee raid spots because you have the best buffs in game then booo fucking hoo.

Sciomar · 06-28-2009, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by agressiv

The Summoner set is also amazing and on par with Sorcerers.

agressiv

This statement is very much false.

Our gear does not bring the pet up to anywhere near what it should be at. When my pet has the same spell crit/base dmg/spell dmg/cast haste/reuse as me and our armor doesn't have some crit and spell dmg cut from it due to pet effects added then we'll talk about being on par. But at least true to form Fyreflyte takes care of his little homies via set bonuses while the necro bonuses are pretty weak.

agressiv · 06-28-2009, 05:14 AM

Scio if your pet had 100% crit and tons of base spell damage, re-use etc, you would leave other classes in the dust on the parse unless you were nerfed in other ways.

While I do agree summoners need a lot of loving, making the pet have the same stats as the caster would be completely overpowered.

Its not like Summoners are at the bottom of the parse; sure they could use some love and usefulness (and I think their set gear is great, but like you've pointed out, its not enough to balance the class) but it is still light years ahead of chanters.

My whole problem is that I simply hate nerfing through gear. I have to wear my set because of the buffs, but it lowers my DPS. I'd rather have them nerf my class and give us gear on par with other classes.

That's all I'm saying. Nerf us, go for it. We do amazing DPS. Don't give us shitty gear though, and when I mean shitty gear, I mean shitty set gear.

You guys have the opposite problem; rather than boost your class, they boost you through gear alone, which I think is retarded. Maybe you guys like it, I don't know.

agressiv

Tiermes · 06-28-2009, 05:53 AM

Actually you shouldn't just compare, say, wizzy tso set to illu tso set. Instead check 4tso + 2 rok for illy (and don't forget a bugged tandem for yourself), and you suddenly find out that it gives way moar dps than wizzy's set bonuses to bolt of ice and the shit.

And the devs stated clearly that they want summoners to be t2 dps (as well as chanters, btw), and are giving them some debuffs to cover it. So I doubt any fixes to summoners' dps. Actually, you can parse OK on serious nameds, and even rape sorcs on avatars and the like. Moreso for a necro though.

Char · 06-29-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by agressiv

Scio if your pet had 100% crit and tons of base spell damage, re-use etc, you would leave other classes in the dust on the parse unless you were nerfed in other ways.

agressiv

I dont quite get how you think that.....the math is pretty straight forward

lets add 10% base to a summoner and wiz as mechanics work now.

wiz

100 (wizard output) x 1.1 = 110

Summoner

60 (summoner output) x 1.1 +40 (pet output) =106

currently...the more gear a summoner and wiz get...the further behind the summoner gets.

please show me how adding a % based mod to all of a summoners and his pets spells....nets them anymore than a wizard?

60 (summoner output) x 1.1 + 40 (pet output) x 1.1 = 110

the problem with the current set up is everytime you add a new effect.....say crit bonus for example.....you unbalance the gains available to summoners Vs other mages.

Xalmat · 06-29-2009, 03:14 AM

So my details are, rogues will no longer debuff magical resists, summoners will become the magical debuff class. Most likely they will change our swarm pets into the debuffs, and remove the swarm pets altogether.

Me, Bigron, along with other summoners, made the dev team acutely aware of itemization issues for Summoners. It is something they're taking into consideration in the future.

The Scout pet is slated to get a major boost. It will return to being the king of single-target DPS as well as having the HP and survivability necessary to stay close range with the mob.

Next expansion the Mythical pet will stop scaling in the low 80s. They will want us to use the non-mythical pet at that point. Survivability is an issue and they said they will look into boosting pet survivability.

That's all I have for now until I go thru all my fan faire material. It will probably take some time.

Tiermes · 06-29-2009, 04:13 AM

BTW what is generally heard about mythicals? Are they going to be replaced with new weapons later in t9 raid progression?

edit: I've heard somewhere that mythicals are going to be changed to charms in next expansion, is that true? oh shit, my avatar charms, my dkp!!111