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Old 09-06-2009, 12:25 PM  
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Default The Future Scout Pet - Effects on DPS from Group Setup

After discovering that the scout pet will return to the number one spot for summoner single target dps, i started to think about the utility that it would require to compare to the optimal group setups that we require now.

I first need to explain why utility is so valueble for the summoner before I get into the scout pet issue. Its very simple and it can easily be seen on any zone wide ACT parse.

- Look at the number of hits a summoner gets compared to any other class. No one will have a higher amount of hits in a raid. This is for two reasons, first and formost this number is the summoner AND the pet's hits (or attempts to damage the mob) which in the long run adds up to a lot more opporitunites for front load dps due to troub and enchanter procs / utility than any other class. Enchanter pets do not cast nearly as much or as efficiently as our pets and coercers dont even always have pets up. Secondly summoners (esp necros) have more dots than any other classes . I am a conjuror and love ubeat tempo but could never take that from a necromancer because it is huge for them. I'm caped on alacrity from spec ne ways

- Perfection of the maetro is usually 10-12 % of my raid wide parse and should be for the average raiding summoner as well if your troubs are casting it correctly and have more than one in raid. For our enchanters usually 8-10% and our sorcerers 6-8%. I got these numbers from examining a month of zw parses in my guild which is clearing tso entirely. This includes avatars. Results may very... vastly.

- Aria of magic maintained 6% of my zw on average, 5% of 2 illusionists in raid, and 4 % for our wiz. Can anyone see a trend? Its pretty obvious that our troubs grp buffs which proc spells are benefiting me and pet = max utilization of utility.

- Zone wide percentages for Dynamism cannot be included for several reasons. If you as a summoner are lucky enough to take 2 conc slots from ur illusionist for you and pet to have dynamism there is bribery involved. However its not unheard of for an illusionist to cast it on their own pet.... Although im almost 100% sure that our illusionists dont do this because our % were even across the board. There is also the dehate component involved which every mage needs.

- Peace of Mind also cannot be included because it is controlled by the enchanter and they know to cast all of their fastest spells at after casting PoM where as the summoner generally maintains the same spell rotation. BUT, even in the case of PoM I maintained 4% zw dmg from it along with the enchanters riding at 4% and our wiz at 3%. This is simple folks, quantity of spells casted is a major factor here.

- For those of you wondering if im getting blown out of the water on the parse by the wiz and enchanters resulting in potm, pom, and diss note being higher zw % for me the answer is NO! We have all beaten each other on zw parses and depending on the fight /zone grp setup/ survivability our mages parse similarly (of coarse the sorcerer drawing ahead but not by leaps)

SO with the major sources of utility that comes from our enchanters and bards listed how much will this effect our dps IF we begin to use a scout pet instead of a mage pet?


What do you guys think?

Im not going to sacrifice my dps by taking the troubador component out for a dirge for scout pet. This is obvious, but how much could this potentially effect us or harm/ help us. I have my ideas but i want other's oppinions.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:01 PM  
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Basically with raid wide buffs being introduced to the main utility classes the pet and you will have benifits of all the types of special benifits each bard/chanter does.

But until the scout pet is revamped its a moot point anyway considering mthical mage pet > scout pet atm......regardless of buffs.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:35 PM  
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I think Bigron's right. Once the scout pet is actually worth a damn, and once those enchanter and bard buffs go raidwide, then it won't matter as much on group makeup, since the majority of good DPS buffs come from enchanters and bards.

Of course first they have to fix the scout pet, and they'll have to do something about us only being able to have two AA specs. I'm contemplating dropping the WIS line altogether for the AGI line if it becomes practical to use both pets.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:41 PM  
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Ya, this post was intended for when the myth pet becomes obsolete. I definatly forgot that the buffs are going raid wide, which is awesome... nice job sony! (dont get to say that much) In any case the scout pet change will make for some interesting adjustments ;)
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Yeah much everything is speculation right now...
And they better get it right cause definetly getting tired with the direction the game is going.
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I think Bigron's right. Once the scout pet is actually worth a damn, and once those enchanter and bard buffs go raidwide, then it won't matter as much on group makeup, since the majority of good DPS buffs come from enchanters and bards.

Of course first they have to fix the scout pet, and they'll have to do something about us only being able to have two AA specs. I'm contemplating dropping the WIS line altogether for the AGI line if it becomes practical to use both pets.
My complaint is still that when they revamped the AA last time they didn't remove the pet restrictions. If we are supposed to be able to swap pets with the situation, it makes no sense to be forced into a spec that only benefits one. It's not even like it's overpowering when looking at the skills in the lines. Maybe warding and cover but then, other mages get personal wards and hp buffs through AA.
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Old 09-06-2009, 03:47 PM  
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Yeah much everything is speculation right now...
And they better get it right cause definetly getting tired with the direction the game is going.
Yea man I hear ya..., im seeing a lot of old school hardcore players getting over it, and its sad to see. Hopefully the expac will reviv things and not take a turn for the worse. As fail as we all think sony is at times there has to be SOME level of business mentality amongst their devs.

Even if they dont give conj debuffs, more dps, or anything at that, I will still enjoy the class because its fun wining on the underdog
If i wanted to play the new england patriots of EQ aoe world i woulda switched to lock a long time ago lol!
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Yea man I hear ya..., im seeing a lot of old school hardcore players getting over it, and its sad to see. Hopefully the expac will reviv things and not take a turn for the worse. As fail as we all think sony is at times there has to be SOME level of business mentality amongst their devs.

Even if they dont give conj debuffs, more dps, or anything at that, I will still enjoy the class because its fun wining on the underdog
If i wanted to play the new england patriots of EQ aoe world i woulda switched to lock a long time ago lol!
Well i do still like the game...but with sweeping changes and lack of balaceing of the class itself towards what its role is suppose to be after a couple years just kinda say whats the point.

Downloading aion right now so will be taking look at it.Also interested in GW2 coming out as well as the Curt Shilling project tho that was pushed back to middle of 2011.
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Aion FTW!!! I am guessing you arent goin for spiritmaster aye Bigron?
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Aion FTW!!! I am guessing you arent goin for spiritmaster aye Bigron?
I only play pet classes...unless im playing eve.
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