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    Default crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    Can someone please explain why Crystal Blast multi hits hit for just 33% of the main hit?
    Some other spells and AAs multi hit for 100%.
    "without AbMod" would be 50% hits (with AbMod over the cap)

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    Because crystalline destruction cannot spell double, it's essentially a proc. Amod also doesn't apply to doubles for any spell for a conjuror.

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    Quote Originally Posted by aniathor View Post
    Because crystalline destruction cannot spell double, it's essentially a proc. Amod also doesn't apply to doubles for any spell for a conjuror.
    Crystalline Destruction does doublecast, though. And it's the base Crystal Blast doublecast that lands for minor damage, while Crystalline Destruction lands for equivalent damage to the primary hit.
    Code:
    (1394049858)[Wed Mar 05 15:04:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 466406 magic damage.
    (1394049858)[Wed Mar 05 15:04:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 565553 magic damage.
    (1394049858)[Wed Mar 05 15:04:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 192095 magic damage.
    (1394049858)[Wed Mar 05 15:04:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 557058 magic damage.
    Compared to a non-CD cast
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    (1394049504)[Wed Mar 05 14:58:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 486911 magic damage.
    (1394049504)[Wed Mar 05 14:58:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks Ahrmatal the Scorcher for 170997 magic damage.

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    You are both correct.
    CD procs should not "multi" hit at all.
    But it looks as if it would:
    Code:
    (1389811680)[Wed Jan 15 19:48:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 218323 magic damage.
    (1389811680)[Wed Jan 15 19:48:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 222122 magic damage.
    (1389811680)[Wed Jan 15 19:48:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 75237 magic damage.
    (1389811680)[Wed Jan 15 19:48:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 230590 magic damage.
    Someone explained this as to me as 2 CD procs, one for the normal CB hit and one for the multi CB hit. Then the word "multi" in the 4th line would be a bug.
    But i didn't want to talk about CD here.

    Like the 3rd hit in the parse above, all my CB multi hits are ~33%ish.
    I can see this in every parse.

    It does not depend on CD, but seems to be the main spell itself:
    Spec'ed to zero AAs (especially without CD prestige AA), no main pet, didn't cast buffs (even no mount), unequipped proc'ing rings, wrists and earring and parsed some time vs an epic dummy.
    CB normal hits are 180kish but CB multi hits are 60kish.
    Code:
    (1394519295)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:15 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 200459 magic damage.
    (1394519298)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 172072 magic damage.
    (1394519300)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:20 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 195924 magic damage.
    (1394519303)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:23 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 189589 magic damage.
    (1394519303)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:23 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 55278 magic damage.
    (1394519306)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:26 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 205174 magic damage.
    (1394519309)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:29 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 172103 magic damage.
    (1394519309)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:29 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 52823 magic damage.
    (1394519312)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:32 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 190091 magic damage.
    (1394519315)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:35 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 187042 magic damage.
    (1394519318)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:38 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 192746 magic damage.
    (1394519320)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:40 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 167229 magic damage.
    (1394519323)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:43 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 201725 magic damage.
    (1394519326)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:46 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 199209 magic damage.
    (1394519329)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:49 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 194663 magic damage.
    (1394519332)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:52 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 166060 magic damage.
    (1394519335)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:55 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 201008 magic damage.
    (1394519335)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:55 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 52880 magic damage.
    (1394519338)[Tue Mar 11 07:28:58 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 178483 magic damage.
    (1394519340)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 175342 magic damage.
    (1394519340)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 67322 magic damage.
    (1394519343)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:03 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 192562 magic damage.
    (1394519346)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:06 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 193771 magic damage.
    (1394519349)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:09 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 170304 magic damage.
    (1394519352)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:12 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 198758 magic damage.
    (1394519352)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:12 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 66584 magic damage.
    (1394519355)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:15 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 167178 magic damage.
    (1394519358)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:18 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 173691 magic damage.
    (1394519361)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 176075 magic damage.
    (1394519364)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 191721 magic damage.
    (1394519364)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 63073 magic damage.
    (1394519367)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:27 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 206778 magic damage.
    (1394519367)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:27 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 61879 magic damage.
    (1394519370)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:30 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 168618 magic damage.
    (1394519370)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:30 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 65344 magic damage.
    (1394519373)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:33 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 186248 magic damage.
    (1394519373)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:33 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 59932 magic damage.
    (1394519376)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:36 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 166301 magic damage.
    (1394519379)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:39 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 199844 magic damage.
    (1394519381)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:41 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 208152 magic damage.
    (1394519384)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:44 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 197748 magic damage.
    (1394519387)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:47 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 187442 magic damage.
    (1394519390)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:50 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 181932 magic damage.
    (1394519393)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:53 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 181133 magic damage.
    (1394519396)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:56 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 163631 magic damage.
    (1394519399)[Tue Mar 11 07:29:59 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 180251 magic damage.
    (1394519402)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:02 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 177269 magic damage.
    (1394519404)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:04 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 162560 magic damage.
    (1394519407)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 179237 magic damage.
    (1394519407)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 59829 magic damage.
    (1394519410)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:10 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 192741 magic damage.
    (1394519413)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:13 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 195119 magic damage.
    (1394519416)[Tue Mar 11 07:30:16 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 180257 magic damage.
    ...
    Last edited by gosh; 03-14-2014 at 01:38 AM.

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    If time warp is active or you get a spell double "roll" when CD procs, it gives you multiple triggers, but it's still not technically a spell double considering it is just a reactive dmg proc with multiple triggers, and does not always double when CD is active and CB doubles. This is not the case with elemental blast, which correctly follows spell double cast mechanics resulting in 20 hits consistently, not randomly 2, 3, or 4. The logs will read CB/CD as a spell double cast because it's the same source of dmg happening at the same second. This loging bug is not limited to CB or even conjurors.

    You should do tests with 0 mod, no "magic dmg" multipliers, and no ability specific crit bonus to CB if you're curious. I'm 99% sure that CB is bugged because of coding involved with CD, regardless if ur spec'd in it or not. You will also see amod increasing the dmg of CB way over the "cap" even with CD not active. This is what happens when SoE gives a single ability 10000000 multipliers/modifiers. Things get wonky. I'm willing to bet with no extra multipliers, especially amod, CB will spell double correctly, but regardless doesn't fix this problem. I have been far too consumed with trying to fix the majority of our DPS, being pets, to pay much attention to this or do any testing.

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    I'm 99% sure that CB is bugged because of coding involved with CD.
    This is what happens when SoE gives a single ability 10000000 multipliers/modifiers. Things get wonky
    I agree very much on your appraisal.


    Is my list of CB affecting AAs complete?
    Class Focus: Crystal Blast: base +15%
    Aptitude of the Theurgist (Summoner AA): base dmg +8%
    Enhance: Crystal Blast (Conjuror AA): crit bonus +5%
    Strike of the Mage (Shadows AA): base +10%, crit dmg +10%
    Magic Mastery (Shadows AA): base +10%, crit dmg +5%
    Improved Sorcery (Dragon AA): base +15%, crit dmg +15%
    Last but not least:
    Crystalline Destruction (Prestige AA)


    And btw i appreciate very much what you do for our pets.
    I'll try to take care of CB, keep on bugging people and will do a naked no-AA parse as well.
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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    You are right, Abmod makes the difference.


    Parsed vs an epic dummy with 0 AA, just class focus: Crystal Blast
    Basic equipment was buff- and proc-less and had 0 AbMod, food+drink: 0.066
    (1) 0 Abmod, cb 144, 2960 int (102.88%), pot 170.4
    Crystal Blast examine: 4496-6324
    parsed normal hits: 14071-18413
    parsed multi attacks: 13942-18493
    Code:
    (1394874708)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:48 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57905 magic damage.
    (1394874708)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:48 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 19676 magic damage.
    (1394874713)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:53 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55527 magic damage.
    (1394874717)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:57 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53407 magic damage.
    (1394874723)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:03 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54360 magic damage.
    (1394874727)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57317 magic damage.
    (1394874727)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 24430 magic damage.
    (1394874731)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58011 magic damage.
    (1394874737)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:17 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58651 magic damage.
    (1394874741)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58280 magic damage.
    (1394874744)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53121 magic damage.
    (1394874748)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:28 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57524 magic damage.
    (1394874752)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:32 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55224 magic damage.
    (1394874757)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:37 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55469 magic damage.
    (1394874761)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:41 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58399 magic damage.
    (1394874765)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:45 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58464 magic damage.
    (1394874769)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:49 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53417 magic damage.
    (1394874774)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:54 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55261 magic damage.
    (1394874778)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:58 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 52978 magic damage.
    (1394874782)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:02 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57453 magic damage.
    (1394874787)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54087 magic damage.
    (1394874791)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54217 magic damage.
    (1394874791)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 25138 magic damage.
    (1394874795)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:15 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53710 magic damage.
    (1394874799)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:19 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54717 magic damage.
    (1394874804)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57072 magic damage.
    (1394874808)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:28 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 56391 magic damage.
    (1394874812)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:32 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55261 magic damage.

    (2) 1000 Abmod, 3172 int (105,7%), pot 187.6, cb 161.2
    Crystal Blast examine: 6056-7763
    parsed normal hits: 18890-23710
    parsed multi attacks: 18155-18541
    Code:
    (1394873656)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:16 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 20987 magic damage.
    (1394873656)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:16 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 17717 magic damage.
    (1394873661)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 18890 magic damage.
    (1394873661)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 18401 magic damage.
    (1394873666)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:26 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 22823 magic damage.
    (1394873671)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:31 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 21787 magic damage.
    (1394873675)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:35 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 21485 magic damage.
    (1394873681)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:41 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 19518 magic damage.
    (1394873685)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:45 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 23698 magic damage.
    (1394873689)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:49 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 22441 magic damage.
    (1394873694)[Sat Mar 15 09:54:54 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 21121 magic damage.
    (1394873700)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 21149 magic damage.
    (1394873700)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:00 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 18155 magic damage.
    (1394873705)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:05 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 21081 magic damage.
    (1394873709)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:09 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 19954 magic damage.
    (1394873709)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:09 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 18541 magic damage.
    (1394873713)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:13 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 18899 magic damage.
    (1394873717)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:17 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 22273 magic damage.
    (1394873721)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 23710 magic damage.
    (1394873725)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:25 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 19991 magic damage.
    (1394873730)[Sat Mar 15 09:55:30 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 22101 magic damage.

    (3) 9811 Abmod, 3370 int (108,12%), pot 216.7, cb 190.3
    Crystal Blast examine: 15359-17255
    parsed normal hits: 52897-58651
    parsed multi attacks: 19676-25138
    Code:
    (1394874708)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:48 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57905 magic damage.
    (1394874708)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:48 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 19676 magic damage.
    (1394874713)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:53 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55527 magic damage.
    (1394874717)[Sat Mar 15 10:11:57 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53407 magic damage.
    (1394874723)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:03 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54360 magic damage.
    (1394874727)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57317 magic damage.
    (1394874727)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 24430 magic damage.
    (1394874731)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58011 magic damage.
    (1394874737)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:17 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58651 magic damage.
    (1394874741)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:21 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58280 magic damage.
    (1394874744)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53121 magic damage.
    (1394874748)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:28 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57524 magic damage.
    (1394874752)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:32 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55224 magic damage.
    (1394874757)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:37 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55469 magic damage.
    (1394874761)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:41 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58399 magic damage.
    (1394874765)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:45 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 58464 magic damage.
    (1394874769)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:49 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53417 magic damage.
    (1394874774)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:54 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55261 magic damage.
    (1394874778)[Sat Mar 15 10:12:58 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 52978 magic damage.
    (1394874782)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:02 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57453 magic damage.
    (1394874787)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:07 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54087 magic damage.
    (1394874791)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54217 magic damage.
    (1394874791)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:11 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically multi attacks training dummy for 25138 magic damage.
    (1394874795)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:15 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 53710 magic damage.
    (1394874799)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:19 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 54717 magic damage.
    (1394874804)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:24 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 57072 magic damage.
    (1394874808)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:28 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 56391 magic damage.
    (1394874812)[Sat Mar 15 10:13:32 2014] YOUR Crystal Blast critically hits training dummy for 55261 magic damage.
    have no more time right now. will prolly do maths later.
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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    So essentially the spell doublecast mechanic is working correctly, the amod cap is not, and furthermore the amod overcapping is working in our favor. I already knew this was the case as I alluded in my first response :P. I'd just leave this alone if I were you, it will only result in a small nerf. Original hits of Crystal blast will be closer to their double cast amount (aka much smaller) and amod will be less valuable. Amod never applies to spell doubles, for anyone, and is the intended mechanic.
    Last edited by aniathor; 03-15-2014 at 12:08 PM.

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    Default Re: crap DC/SDA CB multi hits

    Right, seems to probably not be crap multi attacks but the too high main hits. AbMod seems to sometimes work a bit better than people usually assume.
    Last edited by gosh; 03-16-2014 at 12:56 AM.
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