Should Mystics and Defilers be merged into one Shaman Class? - Page 2

Fumtik Muffinbane · 10-19-2006, 03:39 PM

The fact that there already are two shamans, druids, etc. would make it almost an impossibility to change it over now. With only 5 concentration slots, think about all the buffs we'll be missing, single target and group. All of the raid encounters in the game are based off of having those buffs, and debuffs, and SoE would be forced to change 50% of the game in addition to removing 50% of the classes. It might have worked had it been that way from release, but this far into the game, it's too late.

keldo · 10-19-2006, 04:01 PM

I don't understand, you say you are happy with shaman in EQ1, but up to when I quit - launch to GoD - they still had no definitive role, other than later on being amazingly good at soloing. Other than 1 shaman on the raid to turgur the mob and mass focus, they were largely unneeded and could be easily replaced by clerics. Druids - same deal. Clerics were the only healer you needed in EQ1 in a VAST majority of situations.

EQ2 shaman are completely different and hardly resemble their EQ1 counterpart. Not to mention the entire buffing and group system is not even compareable so making a comparison is almost impossible to do.

LFG · 10-19-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keldo

I don't understand, you say you are happy with shaman in EQ1, but up to when I quit - launch to GoD - they still had no definitive role, other than later on being amazingly good at soloing. Other than 1 shaman on the raid to turgur the mob and mass focus, they were largely unneeded and could be easily replaced by clerics. Druids - same deal. Clerics were the only healer you needed in EQ1 in a VAST majority of situations.

EQ2 shaman are completely different and hardly resemble their EQ1 counterpart. Not to mention the entire buffing and group system is not even compareable so making a comparison is almost impossible to do.

I agree that clerics were a more needed class in EQ than shaman, but show me an EQ guild that didn't roll with a shaman.

Eq2 guilds can play efficiently without a mystic, but playing without a defiler is kind of like having a SK tank Chel'Drak, or doing Tarinax without a brigand. Sure, it's possible to do either of those things, but do you really want to?

The role of a shaman has always been important in EQ, even if it wasn't a spam class like clerics were. The user population in EQ adjusted accordingly, with more people playing clerics, and less playing shaman. But both classes were equally important, just more of one were required than the other.

keldo · 10-19-2006, 04:45 PM

But the only reason a defiler is desired is because of stat caps hosing Mystic buffs and that is what the combat change is supposed to address. Of the 'required' classes, defiler is the least.

One shaman out of 54 or 72 people isn't exactly a strong showing. Most of Velious my guild had 10-12 clerics and maybe 2 shaman, 2 druids, and it was completely fine. You played a cleric in EQ1 right? Why don't you ask an old school shaman how useful they felt with more than one on a raid - I'll give you a hint, they are gonna say useless.

Fumtik Muffinbane · 10-19-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keldo

But the only reason a defiler is desired is because of stat caps hosing Mystic buffs and that is what the combat change is supposed to address. Of the 'required' classes, defiler is the least.

One shaman out of 54 or 72 people isn't exactly a strong showing. Most of Velious my guild had 10-12 clerics and maybe 2 shaman, 2 druids, and it was completely fine. You played a cleric in EQ1 right? Why don't you ask an old school shaman how useful they felt with more than one on a raid - I'll give you a hint, they are gonna say useless.

Well, in addition to the stat cap, I've yet to see a mystic that doesn't suck at playing the MT role. Not saying they don't exist, but it just seems to be a trend throughout the game that defilers > mystics.....

Morara · 10-19-2006, 05:03 PM

I think we can all agree that Tendrils is awesome.

Malachani · 10-19-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fumtik Muffinbane

Well, in addition to the stat cap, I've yet to see a mystic that doesn't suck at playing the MT role. Not saying they don't exist, but it just seems to be a trend throughout the game that defilers > mystics.....

Shoukin uses Mystics in the MT group, and they far from suck. Thanks tho.

KFizzle · 10-19-2006, 05:28 PM

Yo Mami, thanks for giving me the Thumbs up too as your former Mystic. Fuck i get no respect. But when i'm on my Mystic, i'm in the MT group (because we dont have a plethora of Shaman) and we're fine...and if i'm tanking on Kajar that means Laucian (mystic) Is in the MT Group cause his friggen EuroAss is on.

AS SOON as i heard about the stat cap increase i said "Finally my Mystic might be better for a MT Group than a Defiler." Do Defilers have anything comparable to Torpor? (not sure but i don't think so) I dunno, i just like the idea of as diverse a world as possible, and with more limited choices in classes i think it would limit things.

Pinski · 10-19-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KFizzle

Yo Mami, thanks for giving me the Thumbs up too as your former Mystic. Fuck i get no respect. But when i'm on my Mystic, i'm in the MT group (because we dont have a plethora of Shaman) and we're fine...and if i'm tanking on Kajar that means Laucian (mystic) Is in the MT Group cause his friggen EuroAss is on.

AS SOON as i heard about the stat cap increase i said "Finally my Mystic might be better for a MT Group than a Defiler." Do Defilers have anything comparable to Torpor? (not sure but i don't think so) I dunno, i just like the idea of as diverse a world as possible, and with more limited choices in classes i think it would limit things.

Torpor is cross-raid castable, same with Bolster. Defiler is so much superior to Mystics in the MT group. A 1st Mystic is much more useful than a 2nd Defiler though, because of Torpor and Bolster.

Fumtik Muffinbane · 10-19-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Torpor is cross-raid castable, same with Bolster. Defiler is so much superior to Mystics in the MT group. A 1st Mystic is much more useful than a 2nd Defiler though, because of Torpor and Bolster.

I would say it's more useful, but by a slight margin. Defiler debuffs, when all of them are kept up 100% of the time, are great to have on the raid. MT defiler can keep most of them up and still keep the tank at 100%, on named and such it can get tough to do that. Having 2 defilers and a mystic would be ideal imo