Should Mystics and Defilers be merged into one Shaman Class? - Page 4

Kaizer_Sosay · 10-26-2006, 07:35 PM

Being a mystic the only thing the defiler class has that i want is the single target HP buff(or just add some more hp onto Fortelling), other than that I love the wards, buffs, and debuffs the mystic class already has.

Can't wait for EoF to see how the higher stat cap plays out for Mystics.

Zoin · 04-03-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarsonis

It is hard to say how shamans will match up with the new revamp. This problem is not isolated to shamans i see this problem with every class some worse then others.

temp > inq
assasin > ranger
fury > warden
etc.
etc.
etc.

you take a primary class and split it in half the best you can to make it seem there are alot of classes available this is soe's vision. How many of these are truly unique? With the current class tree it makes it difficult to ever add a new class without destroying what little balance there is. There is no way to balance this without making them all the same so someone will always come up short. Combining all these class into one would not only BALANCE the game it opens up the possibility of new classes.

Ok, first of all I think that combining mystic/defiler (any classes for that matter) would be a huge mistake. No doubt a lot of people would leave the game because they no longer play the class they chose to play.

Next, the section refering to different classes being > or < the opposite class...where to start? First, I have seen a ranger out parse an entire guild on a consistant basis. Second, assasins have transfer hate for those fights when added hate makes the difference as well dishing out some nice DPS. Fury/Wardens cannot even be compared. Furies bring so much to a group of mages as well the ability to solo heal the group and rez the wizard when he/she freehand/cats a 30k Ice Nova. Wardens make being a shaman a breeze when they are in the MT group. A Fury can do the same thing but why take away buffs from a group of Int hungry mages? The same thing applies to Templar/Inquisitor. Why would you take away the buffs to a melee DPS group to heal a MT or OT?

As far as combining Defiler/Mystic, that would make debuffing a raid mob very diffucult. Defilers have 4 debuffs, 4 dot/debuffs and a ward proc to place on the mob. I can only assume mystics get as much or more including encounter debuffs. To combine the classes you would have to give super uber debuffs/dots or it would be debuff coordination with multiple shamans in the raid.

The only conclusion I can come up with, is the people you are refering to suck at their class. All I can say is gg noob l2play and have a nice day.

Argyuile · 04-04-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by keldo

But the only reason a defiler is desired is because of stat caps hosing Mystic buffs and that is what the combat change is supposed to address. Of the 'required' classes, defiler is the least.

One shaman out of 54 or 72 people isn't exactly a strong showing. Most of Velious my guild had 10-12 clerics and maybe 2 shaman, 2 druids, and it was completely fine. You played a cleric in EQ1 right? Why don't you ask an old school shaman how useful they felt with more than one on a raid - I'll give you a hint, they are gonna say useless.

It depends on when in the timeline from EQ1 your talking about. Before shamans had any decent heals yes it was pointless to have more than one. Also I'm not talking about when the first gave us Superior heal or as we liked to call it, superior fizzle. Malo ---> Malise --->Slow --> um do whatever you want BANE OF NIFE FTW!

I would like to see what I would have to give up. On one hand I'm thinking BOLSTER Fuck ya. Not to mention making the loot tables of these EoF mobs smaller with their stupid single class only armor but I'm concerned with what I would have to give up.

Idolvo · 06-07-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alania

Yep, this one, bards, chanters, clerics and druids shouldn't have been seperated. It leaves both classes as half-complete, and not nearly different enough to even matter.

Agreed

razieh · 06-08-2007, 02:11 AM

Necro posting is dumb refrain from doing it please!