spell upgrade - Page 3

razieh · 10-21-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Euron Greyjoy

No. If you were at Fanfaire, or read the panel discussions, you would already know.

Everything will be upgraded, excluding the following:

Class Level 50/70 spells.
AT spells that rely on a %.

Thus,

Everything for Defiler will be upgraded, except for

Maelstrom (50/70)
Umbral Trap (debuffs a % of DPS)

Cheers.

I posted this just to start shit but do you really want to argue that..... We both know where this will go, ill post something you will just deny it and it will go in circles for ever.

Yerni Smith · 10-21-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Euron Greyjoy

Maelstrom (50/70)
Umbral Trap (debuffs a % of DPS)

but... Umbral Trap isn't a % based debuff... Which still warrants the question why the hell didn't we get a lvl 53 upgrade??!!??

Euron Greyjoy · 10-21-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by razieh

I posted this just to start shit but do you really want to argue that..... We both know where this will go, ill post something you will just deny it and it will go in circles for ever.

There's nothing to argue when that's the simple truth.

And to be frank, I don't know why they don't upgrade UT (35/53/71).

Yerni Smith · 10-21-2007, 08:37 AM

yeah honestly I have a rough idea why they didn't. They made it an encounter based debuff and as it is now it decreases dps mod just a little under 20. So I'm assuming SoE decided that was good enough.

Though they could've just upped it by a couple points and I'm sure nobody would've complained. Though obviously they didn't have to because as it stands now I have no complaints about it as I'm sure not too many others do.

razieh · 10-21-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Euron Greyjoy

And to be frank, I don't know why they don't upgrade UT (35/53/71).

Because if they upgraded it it would eventually become pointless to cast other spells, there is a cap on that stuff and its relatively low.

Kymi · 10-21-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by razieh

Because if they upgraded it it would eventually become pointless to cast other spells, there is a cap on that stuff and its relatively low.

but you can upgrade a spell in more ways then just making it more powerful... like... lvl 35 = single target, lvl 53 = encounter, lvl 71 = ummm longer duration or shorter recast? Point is the % of the debuff remains the same but the higher levels one are obviously going to be used over the previous ones

Jorp · 10-21-2007, 09:48 PM

I'm happy with Umbral Trap in its current form much more useful than single target.

Promise · 10-23-2007, 01:20 AM

It is useful in it's current form I agree. I also agree that they should of upgraded it in some form when they did all the other healer spells. Our Wards are useful each tier but that doesn't mean they don't need upgraded as the level's increase right? Same thing here basically. They could of easily "upgraded" the spell some way that wouldn't actually increase it's debuff value. Kymii pointed out some very valid ways to upgrade it while not making it "so eventually we'd only cast it and not bother with anything else."

Faabio · 10-26-2007, 04:03 AM

Razieh said I can post here, so I just wanted to say that I love all you sexy defilers and what you do for the raiding community.

razieh · 10-26-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Promise

It is useful in it's current form I agree. I also agree that they should of upgraded it in some form when they did all the other healer spells. Our Wards are useful each tier but that doesn't mean they don't need upgraded as the level's increase right? Same thing here basically. They could of easily "upgraded" the spell some way that wouldn't actually increase it's debuff value. Kymii pointed out some very valid ways to upgrade it while not making it "so eventually we'd only cast it and not bother with anything else."

Since Faabio bumped this thread and I actually read it again lets see.

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Originally Posted by Kymi

but you can upgrade a spell in more ways then just making it more powerful... like... lvl 35 = single target, lvl 53 = encounter, lvl 71 = ummm longer duration or shorter recast? Point is the % of the debuff remains the same but the higher levels one are obviously going to be used over the previous ones

35 to 53 is alright, but the next upgrade logically would have to be a true AoE. Then where do you go? If you were to increase the duration and/or lower the recast inst that counter productive, since you can keep it up permanently already? There is no real upgrade available other than to increase the debuff by 2-3 points per upgrade. With that being said, personally I would just trash all the non upgraded spells and make them ability's.