PVP Defiler

Vulwrath · 11-12-2007, 12:28 PM

Ok maybe I'm stupid for not jumping on the easy mode pvp sscale but I'm leveling my defiler on Nag and wanted some help with AA's. I roll solo most the time and atm trying to decide if I want to level lock at 10 to grind AA or just blast to 70 then 80. Anyways any PVP advice would be greatly appreciated. This is the only class I like to play.

razieh · 11-12-2007, 02:33 PM

Id answer but honestly I don't play PvP so!!! But here is my guess.
When you are locked in PvP cures have a 10 second? recast so STA line is very nice. Agi wouldent be very good till you got a better weapon, so maybe int/sta?

For the Defiler(EoF) tree id first go for they decaying line. You are gonna have to wait for some one else probably promise is your best bet for PvP advice.

Smoka · 11-12-2007, 02:41 PM

I will give you a templars views on PvP for a defiler. I have never played a defiler and will not act like i know any of your spells at all. I do know you have slow casting times and it is tough to run away if solo. You should be prepared to die a lot due to ganking twinks. Since you are a slower casting healer you are, imo, most effective in group pvp. I have seen soloing defilers just remember.....you will die and have fun with it. Perfecting your class through 1v1's and group v group is essential to pwning faces. But hey wtf do i know i am just a templar reading a defiler forum. If you ever get a chance to talk to Promise or Darklotus (immacalta) they both play or played defilers and are 70.

Promise · 11-13-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulwrath

Ok maybe I'm stupid for not jumping on the easy mode pvp sscale but I'm leveling my defiler on Nag and wanted some help with AA's. I roll solo most the time and atm trying to decide if I want to level lock at 10 to grind AA or just blast to 70 then 80. Anyways any PVP advice would be greatly appreciated. This is the only class I like to play.

Lower lvls if you have the AA's you will do very well in PVP, once you get to around lvl 60 that'll stop and you'll have a harder time with pvp solo. If your not in a rush to grind to 80 then lvl lock until you get 25 AA's or so, will make your experience going up in lvls a lot more enjoyable. As far as the AA's to pick Raz would be on the right track except they fucked all healers in the form of cures by giving us a 10 sec recast on cures in pvp regardless if your cure specced or not. My suggestion for a AA specced defiler would be Agi 4, 4, 8, 8, 1. Int 4, 5, 8, 4, 1. Soon as you get the extra 20 AA's from RoK go down Sta to Block harm and get it like this: Sta 4,4, 8 with your extra points going to Rabies and Phalanx. Your big hitters will come from your melee crit line and Scourge. Scourge will pretty much make short work of any scout or mage out there lower lvls. It's pretty nuts.

razieh · 11-13-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Promise

Raz would be on the right track except they fucked all healers in the form of cures by giving us a 10 sec recast on cures in pvp regardless if your cure specced or not.

Wow thats pretty lame, did not know that

And scourge does own for PvP got to play with that on PvP test when the AA revamps hit.

MiceGirl · 11-15-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by razieh

Id answer but honestly I don't play PvP so!!! But here is my guess.
When you are locked in PvP cures have a 10 second? recast so STA line is very nice. Agi wouldent be very good till you got a better weapon, so maybe int/sta?

For the Defiler(EoF) tree id first go for they decaying line. You are gonna have to wait for some one else probably promise is your best bet for PvP advice.

that would actually be nice bu tthe recast time dosent work in pvp, so if you want to cure it still 10 seconds which is pretty crappy and i think they need to fix it healers are ment to cure at leats lower it to 3 seconds anyways, i ran of the topic so back on track. i have alvl 70 Mystic and a 70 defiler. i have to say it much easier to solo pvp with a mystic than a defiler.

the 100% meele crit its a waste of time for a Defiler reson being is that defiler spell dont become melee attack like Mystic. what i suggest is this

Intel line to get scorge and the 28% change to Spell crit, also Rabies isnt a bad attack to go with it. which is a must for any defiler you dont intel line somethign wrong with you.

the others points its more of prefrence i like the Str line even do you have to have your dog up. you get 14% haste or more depends how many point you got in it, and wards proc from your dog and aoe immunity. ( if you group this is very good to have) since in group pvp most people will ignore your dog.

others may say WIS cause you get a buff to make OTHERS* cast faster not helpfull if you like to solo.

Sta is very nice to have specialy with harm block which i recoment to put 8 points in it or even go down the full line cause the extra 1k of unconsius health come in handy belive it or not.

for the defiler tree decay get all your spells plus 34% spell incress, and the one next to it to the rigth i like the final spell you get from it since it reduce the procs of people by 50%, come sin handy when figthing swashy and rangers., and you still will have enough for others things.

just my 2 cents from a defiler/mystic point of view

Promise · 11-20-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MiceGirl

that would actually be nice bu tthe recast time dosent work in pvp, so if you want to cure it still 10 seconds which is pretty crappy and i think they need to fix it healers are ment to cure at leats lower it to 3 seconds anyways, i ran of the topic so back on track. i have alvl 70 Mystic and a 70 defiler. i have to say it much easier to solo pvp with a mystic than a defiler.

the 100% meele crit its a waste of time for a Defiler reson being is that defiler spell dont become melee attack like Mystic. what i suggest is this

Intel line to get scorge and the 28% change to Spell crit, also Rabies isnt a bad attack to go with it. which is a must for any defiler you dont intel line somethign wrong with you.

the others points its more of prefrence i like the Str line even do you have to have your dog up. you get 14% haste or more depends how many point you got in it, and wards proc from your dog and aoe immunity. ( if you group this is very good to have) since in group pvp most people will ignore your dog.

others may say WIS cause you get a buff to make OTHERS* cast faster not helpfull if you like to solo.

Sta is very nice to have specialy with harm block which i recoment to put 8 points in it or even go down the full line cause the extra 1k of unconsius health come in handy belive it or not.

for the defiler tree decay get all your spells plus 34% spell incress, and the one next to it to the rigth i like the final spell you get from it since it reduce the procs of people by 50%, come sin handy when figthing swashy and rangers., and you still will have enough for others things.

just my 2 cents from a defiler/mystic point of view

I would not suggest specing the way this person is suggesting for solo/group pvp lol. The pet dies in 2-3 hits and anyone with any brain's to them will target the pet first if they see it up. To say that the melee crit's is a waste of time is just retarded. The Agi line gives you 100% crits which if you get a weapon with a large dmg spread will turn out some very nice white dmg. You also get heal crits which works on wards and the end ability rage which will basicly turn you into a healer version of a berserker. The Sta line isn't that bad down to Block Harm but anything after that is totally useless in pvp. If I was solo pvping I would spec down the shamen tree with Agi: 4,4,7,8,1 then down the Wis tree: 4,4,4,8 and finally down the Int tree 4,6,8,4,1. For the EoF tree's go down Curseweaving line ignoring the fear and maxing all the others. After that it's more a matter of taste as to if you go down Decaying line or Potency line. I will say that Hexation is a nice ability to use against most other classes as a lot of people's dmg comes from proc's.

Locus · 11-22-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Promise

I would not suggest specing the way this person is suggesting for solo/group pvp lol. The pet dies in 2-3 hits and anyone with any brain's to them will target the pet first if they see it up. To say that the melee crit's is a waste of time is just retarded. The Agi line gives you 100% crits which if you get a weapon with a large dmg spread will turn out some very nice white dmg. You also get heal crits which works on wards and the end ability rage which will basicly turn you into a healer version of a berserker. The Sta line isn't that bad down to Block Harm but anything after that is totally useless in pvp. If I was solo pvping I would spec down the shamen tree with Agi: 4,4,7,8,1 then down the Wis tree: 4,4,4,8 and finally down the Int tree 4,6,8,4,1. For the EoF tree's go down Curseweaving line ignoring the fear and maxing all the others. After that it's more a matter of taste as to if you go down Decaying line or Potency line. I will say that Hexation is a nice ability to use against most other classes as a lot of people's dmg comes from proc's.

A lot of wisdom here, best post on defiler pvp aa spec's I've read in a while. One thing I'd like to add is that it's also possible to spec INT 6-8-8-0-2, which gets you scourge, maxes rabies and crits, gives a bit extra int and avoids the broke immunities ability.

My main problem with my defiler in PVP is that a single Swashbuckler can rip through my group, single target and emergency wards in less than 4 seconds. With a root that lasts 2-3 seconds, I have to have both my 15 minute fear and single target fear and all emergency wards up to have any chance of surviving the initial onslaught. IMHO, wards and our attacks need to be boosted, dramatically, in PVP combat. And, we need to be able to chain cure trauma... I know I need more +focus items, but long cast times and interrupts are driving me mad.

Saracen · 11-22-2007, 09:36 PM

toss bane of warding on a swash? Might help a bit!

Euron Greyjoy · 11-23-2007, 12:43 AM

Anyone who suggests STR for PVP is stupid. Don't listen to them.

INT, AGI, STA.

Something like, 4 4 8 STA
4 4 8 8 1 AGI
Rest of points in WIS / INT.

Go STA for the block chance, wear a shield. AGI for crits obviously, honestly you can never go wrong there. INT for extra damage in scourge, but if you like playing a little more defensively you might want to go WIS line, but you're probably not going to be using Alacrity during PVP.

I don't know how well the second-last ability in INT would work in PVP, I never tried it. But it just might be worth it.