LFG

1. Which do you find more useful in PVP under the Defiler AA tree - Hexation or Curseweaving?

2. It seems to me Scourge is a "must have" for PVP defilers - I personally wouldn't play on Nagafen without it.

But for PVP defilers who also raid, clearly the STR line through Spiritual Foresight is also a "must have". So, with 70 points in the Shaman AA tree, where do you put your other points? I guess I'm torn between the WIS and AGI achievements, and think it's a damn shame we couldn't accrue 3 extra points in this tree for a third end-of-line skill.

Thanks for advice.

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Tiermes

sry, i don't see the fuckin retarded and useless str line anywhere near 'must have'. Now with rok and high mobs' avoidance it's even beyond garbage and a complete waste of aa.

Akran

I'm strictly specced for raiding, but if I were to spec PVP it would be something like:
Agi 4-4-8-8-2
Sta 4-4-8
Wis 4-7
Int 4-4-8-8-2

As far as the Defiler tree, what do you mean Hexation OR Curseweaving? Why the hell would you want Soul Ward for a PVP spec?

LFG

I'm really looking for the best "mixed" raiding/pvp spec for a defiler on Nagafen who PVPs AND raids. I realize this will involve a compromise between the optimum setup for a pure pvp defiler vs. a pure raiding defiler.

Also, I don't see the achievement switching mirror being very viable on Nagafen, since the majority of time I pvp is when I'm getting ganked. It's hard to me to plan for PVP, it's something I just expect is going to happen when I least expect it. So for that mirror to be useful, I'd need to be able to switch my achievements out instantly, rather than gating back and doing it in a house.

I cannot imagine a defiler raiding without the STR line. Have things changed that much since I last played on a PVE server? That's only been about two months ago - then, it was almost unheard of for a defiler who raided not to have the full STR line.

I know just from messing around two boxing that I can take on significantly harder mobs, and even blue x2s, with the dog and str maxed, but I can't do that without an ae immune ward proccing dog.

Regarding the defiler tree, I realize soul ward is worthless now, and I wouldn't even put 1 pt into it if I had the other 20 pts needed in that line. But I really like the enhancements to the heal pet, VOA, and especially to Abhorrent Shroud in that line, and if I max those, I will then have to decide between (a) curseweaving and (b) hexation, given that I definitely want cannibalize.

That's why I was asking whether PVP defilers considered curseweaving or hexation better, because I can only afford to get one of those if I get cannibalize and also put 5 pts each into the VOA, heal pet, and Abhorrent Shroud enhancements.

Of course, any advice arguing against the strat I've outlined above would be most welcome also.

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Akran

If you absolutely want STR (which I do use for raiding), and absolutely want scourge (which you absolutely do for PVP) then your best bet would be something like:
STR 4-4-6-8-2
AGI 4-4-8-5
INT 4-6-8-4-2

As per your comments about the Soul Ward line, it isn't useless at all. It's great in PVE, terrible in PVP.

As far as choosing between Hexation and Curseweaving... Your choice. Hexation isn't really a viable option for PVE any more because it grants a 5 minute immunity to the mob. I havn't used it for PVP but I can see it being useful. Curseweaving will be helpful 24/7 whether you're PVPing or raiding. The line makes your debuffs easier to land, and you could even put points into the fear for PVP.

LFG

Thanks, that's great advice. I think I will go with exactly that set up for the Shaman tree, and with curseweaving over hexation for the defiler tree.

One last question - right now, I have 0 pts into the reflect ability in the INT line. I tried it once, and as far as I could tell, it never went off. Have you ever seen it work? If not, I'd put that 4 pts into stats first.

Thanks

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Phrogg

Just fyi on cannabalize......although i was using it quite a bit in T7 raiding i have found myself using it less and less as we progress thru T8 to the point where i only remember using it 1 time in the last week. I can see it being useful in pvp if your in epic type 1vs1 battles vs healer types or pally's/sk's, but i couldn't imagine you getting the chance to get 10-20 minutes into a battle without getting ganked by some passer by on that server.

Tiermes

i had a 15+ minute duel with an SK while betraying to mystic. Now it never takes me so long to kill those kinds

LFG

I gotta say, 1.3 sec cast time on fear, and from what I can tell damn near unresistable now, simply owns. Curseweaving in PVP ftw.

Thanks again for infoz!

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