Ilovetrees

My guild recently moved over to EQ2, we started building a raid group and all that good stuff. We're now currently in T2 and moving a good pace, Venril isn't far off, and hopefully VP not much longer.

When we first started raiding we decided we'd alternate certain classes that we have multiples of into different groups so that nobody would always be in the exact same group. Well, for the shaman (2 mystics and a defiler) we were rotated out of the MT, OT, and DPS groups. Once I got my first shot in the MT group, I basically annihilated every other shaman, and parsed where a good shaman should - first. So the officers decided that they wanted me as the permanent MT shaman - as a mystic, instead of our defiler.

You can probably already guess where this is going. I'm beginning to become engulfed in curiosity as to how much better I might be able to perform as a Defiler. I've seen the debates plastered all over the forums, but it's hard to sort through the tried and true raiders giving anecdotal evidence, and those with fragile egos trying to prove their class is better/just as good.

I can't help but think about all those times the MT died because I couldn't get another ward or heal off, times where I wonder if Death Ward might have saved him, or the extra raw HP from buffs. How much stress could I relieve off the Templar to allow him to better ready himself for a cure if I had the third ward in my heal cycle. How many of my Manawell items could I render obsolete with Cannibalize? How much easier would it be to stabilize the fight with Tendrils, and so forth? Absorbing AoEs with level 80 summoned ward pet spell?

Have you ever started as a Mystic and switched to Defiler and felt you've been able to contribute even more to the MT group? How important is it that the MT shaman is a defiler when you get to VP and such? Do you feel like you bring more to the table as the MT Defiler instead of MT Mystic?

Any insight, or direction would be greatly appreciated. I enjoy being a Mystic, but I love giving my guild the best I possibly can even more.

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Ilovetrees
80 Mystic - Conviction
Oasis Server

Wonsokman

defiler>mystic is every way but dps

oddyophile

I started as a Mystake and switched to Defiler because the guild leader had a nasty habit of recruiting 4 or 5 mystakes at once, but could never find a Defiler that didn't get fed up with her and leave ASAP.

If you're doing well as a mystic, there isn't much reason to switch. In the time it takes you to learn how to play a Defiler well you could have learned how to fine tune your mystic to the MT group, and play them great.

Yes, Cannibalize will help some with power but unless you have some other items (the leather hat and the chain shoulders from Contested Mayong for instance) you're still going to want those mana well items.

Death Ward doesn't provide much extra warding throughout the fight. You might as well just use Oberon for a few seconds whenever it's up then click it off when your wards drop.

The main thing advantage a Defiler has over a Mystake in the MT group now is health buffs, a stun break, and the ability to proc Overflow like crazy. We've got at least 8 hostile spells we can be casting to trigger Overflow, and all of them are debuffs so you'll want to be casting them all the time. I would have included Soul Ward, but that can be cast on anyone in the raid so the Defiler doesn't have to be in the MT group to make use of it.

I would like to know how a Mystic that has their mythical fares in the MT group. That is some crazy heal bonus they get.

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Ipum

regretably, this just isnt true anymore

Okku

I think u will do just fine as mystic in MT group and RoK has alot of items that already made cannibalize obsolete. What made defilers uber before is no longer as important, as Zerkers zerk proc was made close to useless in RoK. They remove the benefits some classes had so that the counterpart can shine. A few god stuff a defilers has are Soulward, which can save the tank quite often! and they have a ward that procs, bane of warding. But both of these can be put on mob outside MT grp and soulward is just up to have fast u are as a player.

Speedsta

With new VP 4 set + Mythical
Mystic > Defiler

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Amoaka

More information needed :P
And in the case of the OP, mythical and 4 piece VP may be a ways off.

Yerni Smith

I said it once and I'll say it again Defilers in no way are better than Mystics... They each bring alot to raids. I use to say Defiler own mystics back in KoS and honestly it was true.. Now SoE has made some drastic changes on both classes (EoF AA lines were a major part of this)

IMO Defilers still have a slight edge on mystics in the mt group because of our reactive debuff, the tad more hp we bring and the fact we can drop stuns, fears, stifles every minute and a half or so. What makes the mystic better than us is the fact that they can perform great in mt group and in any other group in a raid. They can output great dps, they have soem major buffs that can be casted raidwide and their debuffs are always welcome.

You throw a defiler out of mt and they can still perform, but not nearly as good as a mystic.

So basicly what I'm trying to say to you is I believe your guild is making a mistake having you play a mystic in mt group when you could be using a defiler, but you guys are still going to be able to pwn shit. I wish i could say it's a night and day change having a mystic in mt as it would be having an Inquisitor in mt as apose to a Templar, but unfortunately it isn't

Erage

The new 4 set effect for the Mystic reduces their group ward recast by 7 seconds. As far as their mythical, I know the clicky effect on their mythical can do a retarded amount of dps in a raid setting (as it has a damage component not listed in it's effects).

Yerni Smith

holy shit.... WTF... WTF kind of 4 piece set effect is that? is it me or are Defilers getting fucked on almost every single new piece of gear?

Maybe I misread our set pieces, but I'm fairly certain not a single one of our effects even fucken changed. please tell me that was just a huge miss spell on SoE's part.