DPS output for defilers

Alaocia · 08-27-2008, 11:55 AM

I want to talk about DPS numbers. What's your typical numbers like? I'm trying to create a baseline, and work on progressing from there.

Still healing on these or else I would show some SoH where I rarley even bother to do anything heal related besides preward. I just want to get a baseline on the typical situation we defilers are in.

Example PR Trash combined:
Dirge 1756 dps = 2%
Mystic 1206 dps = 1%
Fury 955 dps = 1%
Alaocia 951 dps = 1%
Templar 654 dps = 0%

Example: (Ludmillia)
Dirge 1966 dps = 2%
Fury 1779 dps = 2%
Alaocia 1500 dps = 1%
Templar 909 dps = 1%
Mystic 855 dps = 1%

VP - I average about 800 on the trash because of the stuns.

Example VP Trash Combined:
Fury 1452 dps = 2%
Inquisitor 955 dps = 1%
Alaocia 819 dps = 1%
Templar 1 560 dps = 0%
Templar 2 23 dps = 0%

Am I below or average?

razieh · 08-27-2008, 06:09 PM

To be honest, be content with those numbers in my opinion. I do higher but its not that important in the grand scheme of things. While maximizing your DPS is great to do healing comes first. I would say while healing you are probably about 40% of what you could do in VP, while healing I normally do a little more than your fury but I can be terribly lazy on trash.

arieste · 08-27-2008, 07:43 PM

/agree with Razieh, those numbers look decent.

I too get lazy on stuff though.

Alaocia · 08-28-2008, 10:27 AM

Thanks! I still have to do some more work on gear and timings for fights as I know I can do a little better, but it's good to know I am on the right track!

karimonster · 09-05-2008, 12:40 PM

/necro thread

So are these DPS numbers for an MT group defiler? Or no?

What would be an average heal percentage vs. DPS output for an MT group defiler?

Edited to add:
Sorry if I seem to be asking basic questions. Its recently been implied that I'm terrible at my class, so I'm going from the bottom up in an attempt to improve. I guess.

Alaocia · 09-09-2008, 10:36 AM

In MT Group with the standard set up (Guard, Temp, Coercer, Dirge, Swash, and me)

I don't pay attention to the percentages that much as I really focus on the HPS since percentages can be false. I think my best one yet has been Druusk.

Alaocia 2051 hps = 43%
Warden 1420 hps = 30%
Templar 977 hps = 20%

6 min fight, and this is simply from the MT perspective... This is why I don't look at % since HPS will tell you more about how well you did vs %. I may have done 43% on Druushk but our Mystic/furys/inquis were dealing with those pesky adds, and were not properly caculated into the percentage since they were too far. The HPS is correct since I know I prevented/healed that much damage.

Basically don't bother yourself with percentages, and really just focus on where you want your HPS at... above everyone else! ;)

arieste · 09-13-2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alaocia

In MT Group with the standard set up (Guard, Temp, Coercer, Dirge, Swash, and me)

I don't pay attention to the percentages that much as I really focus on the HPS since percentages can be false. I think my best one yet has been Druusk.

Alaocia 2051 hps = 43%
Warden 1420 hps = 30%
Templar 977 hps = 20%

6 min fight, and this is simply from the MT perspective... This is why I don't look at % since HPS will tell you more about how well you did vs %. I may have done 43% on Druushk but our Mystic/furys/inquis were dealing with those pesky adds, and were not properly caculated into the percentage since they were too far. The HPS is correct since I know I prevented/healed that much damage.

Basically don't bother yourself with percentages, and really just focus on where you want your HPS at... above everyone else! ;)

% is used to determine your effectiveness in the raid as a whole rather than your proficiency at topping a parse. if your % is 50 and someone else in the raid is at 1% despite constant casting, then likely you were overhealing and could have been doing something more beneficial to the raid without endangering the raid (or the other healer could have been). Unlike the DPS parse, the heal parse doesn't tell the whole story of what's going on or who the best priest is.

karimonster · 09-16-2008, 11:16 AM

See, that's something I can't stand. Looking only at who tops the parse in their chosen category. I've been told I need to do 0% DPS because I'm a healer....but in order to do that I can't use my dog (which procs those great things like Aura of Warding and the AE immunity while attacking), I can't use 5 of my debuffs, I can't use any Overflow gear, and I can't use my mythical.

Nightmares (~10%) + Aura of Warding (~5%) + Overflow (~1%) = ~16% of my healing

Generally, I top the heal parse with 25-30% healed and around 550-700 DPS (depending upon crits/proc rates/etc).

But maybe I'm not doing it right.

Am I supposed to be doing 40-50% healed with 0 DPS? Or 25-30% healed with 550-700 DPS?

arieste · 09-16-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by karimonster

I've been told I need to do 0% DPS because I'm a healer

I've been told to go jump off a building, but as a personal rule, I refuse to listen to retards (or in your case to people who have no idea how to play).

Now there could possible be a good reason for doing 0 dps on a certain encounter for certain reasons, but I really can't think of any atm.

There is no right number to be hitting. If your goal is to healblock the raid and max the parse, your should be doing 40-50% of total heals. If your goal is to help maximize the raid's effectiveness by playing your class to the fullest, then it depends on the situation.

Example: If I am fighting SoH trash and I have 40% heals, then I stop healing and have 0% heals, there is absolutely 0 difference to the raid's effectiveness because the few heals cast (if any) by other healers more than cover the required healing. So what should my heal % be on that fight? 0% is the answer. I should be DPSing, RoA'ing and maybe debuffing. This is a simple example where it's very clear what happens / will happen if you heal less, other scenarios are more complex to figure out and require more complex combinations of what we do (heal / ward / debuff / dps). But you get the general idea ( i hope ).

Again, if your raid leader is a moron who knows nothing about playing a healer, just spam your wards and he'll be mucho impressed, also ask your guildmates to wear chokers, then your heal % will look nice .. oh and don't forget to spam deathward on anyone in the raid that looks to be taking dmg. and burn your emergency wards every time they're up. and soulward. it all adds up to having bigger numbers! sure, the raid may wipe when you actually need these things, but who cares, right? if your leader sees you're on top of parse, you won't get blamed. Thumbs up for dumb raid leaders!

razieh · 09-17-2008, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by karimonster

See, that's something I can't stand. Looking only at who tops the parse in their chosen category. I've been told I need to do 0% DPS because I'm a healer....but in order to do that I can't use my dog (which procs those great things like Aura of Warding and the AE immunity while attacking), I can't use 5 of my debuffs, I can't use any Overflow gear, and I can't use my mythical.

Nightmares (~10%) + Aura of Warding (~5%) + Overflow (~1%) = ~16% of my healing

Generally, I top the heal parse with 25-30% healed and around 550-700 DPS (depending upon crits/proc rates/etc).

But maybe I'm not doing it right.

Am I supposed to be doing 40-50% healed with 0 DPS? Or 25-30% healed with 550-700 DPS?

Firstly how the hell are you getting 10% from nightmares?
Secondly ignore them dps is part of the class just know the right time to do it and the wrong time.