Tharis

Hi All I do not play a shaman and have not played one since EQ1 hence the new thread... I figure it will drop into obscurity after a while but at the risk of starting an all out brawl between the 2 shaman classes I pose the question what is the difference between Mystics and Defilers?

I put this question in the Defiler's section of the boards because I know a little more about Mystics their buffs and debuffs and how well they potentially can ward/heal, but I am mostly unfamiliar with that same potentiality on the defiler side.

I hear of a lot of Guilds using Defliers in MT and OT groups for raiding over mystics but what benefits would this have in your opinions? As it stands my guild generally uses mystics in the MT and OT groups our Tanks like bolster and some of the other buffs that mystics provide.

As I have done only limited research into the defiler class I have come to the understanding that as far as static (after buffs) Hit points Defilers add more then mystics do, as mystics get a STA buff (which for most tanks may not add many HPs) rather then the Straight HP buff defilers have that is more akin to Inquisitors/Templars. But that is where my research ends so what else is different about your class that you might add greater benefit to a raiding MT or even OT group?

Also I was going to ask since its a straight number on wards who has the more powerful wards when they are at same skill level? I would also ask for the burst heals but because we are talking raiding the Templar in MT or Warden in OT generally can handle anything that can slip through the Ward or between wardings so it would be only a minor issue.

Thanks for the responses in advance I hope I dont upset too many people.

Tharis 80 Templar Befallen
Arysana 80 Wizard Befallen

nyquist

So all in all, defiler's have a 'greater healing potential.' (from a numeric standpoint alone) Though, a well played mystic can heal anything a well played defiler can in most situations.

And I am not sure how our buff differ...but I'm sure there is something there as well.

Edit: Oh yeah, mystics are considered more 'dynamic' (at least by the raider's Ive talked to), so they can MT heal, OT heal, or DPS grp heal (as well as buffing each pretty well). Which lets them fit in any group pretty efficiently.

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Uddjubb

Get the stick for this horse. Plenty of posts about it.


It basically boils down to skill (if button mashing could be considered such) both have subtle differences that make it a matter of preference or habit with having one in the MT group over another.

IMO Defilers Shroud buff and the ability to break stuns/mez/charms every minute or so gives them a slight edge if skill and gear are the same.

nyquist

QFT

OP: you can just search either the defiler or mystic forums and find all this info (+more) 10 times over...

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HerahKithicor

and now 11 times over...woot!

Dranikdoomwarder

as has been said many times, it's not necessarily because defilers are BETTER than mystics in the mt group, but more because mystics have enough utility that they are good everywhere else.

ancestors has not been as useful this expansion as rok and i can count on my fingers the times where i might have to use it

the one MAJOR benefit defilers get over mystics that not a lot of people bring up is the mythical giving a heal on wards. this makes topping off people's hp a lot easier given both the mythical heal and the heal on expiration

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Rynir

All gear/buffs being equal, Mystics(with their Mythical) have stronger wards than defilers.

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Dranikdoomwarder

care to elaborate?

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Koinoo

I think he's referring to the passive bonus: 30% of the mystic's wisdom is applied to their wards. I have no clue, personally, if that is treated like base heal amount or if it just adds to the +heal amount. The latter case would hardly qualify as mystic wards being "better" than ours. Either way, we have far more wards in our arsenal.

Azarath

I had to log in to correct this madness.

Wardz: Assuming gear is all the same, etc etc, a mythical mystic would have larger wards than a defiler, excluding the additional heal applied to a defilers wards. If you include the additional heal upon cast, then the defilers wards are for more. (They also have deathward, we'll get to that later)

Healz: You won't really need to worry about them that much, other than the group heal to green your group/proc gear. The defilers heals are slightly larger, but, the mystic heals add an additional +max heal component.

Debuffz: Defilers have tendrils of horror, which when the tank(person you cast it on) is hit, it debuffs the mob. Other than that, their debuffs are much alike. (obviously I'm glossing over alot of things like mystics debuff more stats, etc etc, because I really don't feel like typing everything out for someone when the info IS out there)

Savez: This is where the defiler shines, they have Soulward, which is instant cast, and wards for as much hp as the defiler has, -10%. (Also drops your hp TO 10%) If you are raiding the instant on that is great. Mystics get ancestral avatar, which is kind of like a mini-stoneskin, but has a significant cast, which when you are fighting something that is going to break your wards in the first place, really isn't going to be an option. (Assuming a de-lvl hits your tank and you aren't going to have time to cast a heal, it really has to be a .25/instant cast.)

Summaryz: Go Defiler if you want to be in the main tank group, go mystic if you want to be more versatile.