ChimpyEvans

There's no reason to make the dirge epic quest starter so goddamn difficult to get. It doesn't add "lore", nor difficulty, it just pisses off everyone who doesn't get lucky their third, fourth, or three thousandth kill.

I just spent 12 hours killing frogs, and when I could pull people away from their easy as shit epics, heroics. I outfitted half a raid with mirror shards. I am now a destroyer of frogloks.

But I haven't even fucking started my epic.

I wouldn't even be here bitching if random npc #213 outside Sebilis told me to find an ancient quill lost long ago in the ruins, but I will bitch if it's not hinted at in any way shape or form that we must annihilate the entire population of the ruins to find it. Furies got to click on a dead corpse in a T1 zone. I'm sitting here begging my guildies to stop having fun with their shiny quests/discos so they can mindlessly grind on something that has no real guarantee of advancing anything.

One question to the dev... why?

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Arzoth

You have to kill the named Hierophant, not frogs

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Kyrsten

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. This is bordering on asinine, while we're all camping a named that doesn't even spawn all the time with a PH that doesn't do shit, warlocks are clicking a fucking dagger in EFP, Furies are clicking a deer. You Devs should have either made all the starters easymode, or made them all this retarded to start.

I suppose it could be worse, monks are grinding mobs in Sanctum of fucking Scale for the "Teachings of Master Wu" pages so they can start.

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Kall

At least you can buy that on the broker.

Fuck, I'd pay 100p on Nek if someone wants to sell me loot rights.

I should not have to camp a named with a PH that doesn't drop the quill 100% of the time TO GET A QUEST STARTER WHEN OTHER CLASSES DON'T HAVE TO.

This is the same thing all over again with evil toons needing to do the Godking quest to get the elf language when good toons could just buy the primer for 10s when SoD came out.

Same needless timesink, different flavor.

Mirdo

I would just say we don't know yet how difficult each of the entire quest chains is for different classes. Your speed bump might be at the start, Rangers (or any other class) might be 6 or 7 steps in.

If you are the only class with this type of advancement requirement in the whole chain though, it sucks ass.

WillyWonka

It is complete bullshit..
guildie is a swashie and he did the first 3 steps of his epic quest in like 10minutes and most of that was fucking zone time.
Guardian Epic starter? have to complete Bone Bladed Claymore.. wow hard when the HQ is what lv.50s and the guard is lv.80? Same guardian even said he'd rather do the BBC than have to camp a named in possibly the most traveled dungeon in RoK just to get a rare drop to start the quest.
Oh and the PvP Gear? Stats are hella nice yes, but they look to me like a cut & paste copy of the VP Set Gear.. With different full set bonuses of course.
My question though is why the fuck do I want to waste a set bonus on my pvp gear that makes me run a little bit faster while STEALTHED. I can't fucking catch anybody running NORMAL, what good is 25% while Stealth going to do me at all? Then there's the 6piece bonus.. Troubs 6 piece increases proc chance of Aria of Magic by 8%, that's huge imo.. ours? Increases damage of Penetrating Shriek by 450... nice... i guess.
Then there is the Looks.. apparently the Appearance Slots means that the Item Designers get to be completely lazy asses with how anything looks now. All the Scout Sets are the exact fucking same with a different under-color, wow original! Even at that, all the pieces look the exact fucking same as most of the quest rewarded gear through RoK (not the good stuff, the shitty ones).
Oh and the Dirge Leggings? They are Barely, BARELY better than the Fabled Leggings from Sebilis imo.

And to end my rant I have to ask..
Why does every Class except scouts get +25 Track Avoidance on their PvP Gear now? Rather than do anything to adjust / fix / fine tune Tracking they're going to implement yet another "ability" that probably doesn't even work properly? Geniuses!

I do have to end this on a funny note though..
Mages got shafted lols
Their Gear has +5 or +10 Max Power as bonuses... not % but just +5 or +10.
And now i've went off on a tangent. being sleep deprived and annoyed makes for tediously long posts and i apologize for hurting anyone's eyes or brain raiding this.

frodex

Trust me I've seen the shitty nature of the epic starter... however after hearing some other classes we seem to have a few easy parts after that compared to other classes at the moment.

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Auxx

Spent 8 freaking hours in Seb yesterday. With a group of 6 Dirges!!! Saw the Quill drop twice. The damn Reflective Shard dropped like 7 or 8 times. The PH popped like 8 or 9 times in a row. This is bullshit...but it is the EPIC!!!

ChimpyEvans

Guardian in my guild finished BBC and Screaming Mace and I still don't have my quill.

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Sylow

The dev who created this starter is an asshole. The dev who stated that starters will not be tied to random mobs obviously doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

I feel really bad for people working on the starter now that word is out on the Hierophant. Last night Frodex and I two-boxed his bruiser and my fury for 5 hours to get two updates (in that time 9 FUCKIN SHARDS DROPPED). The only thing really in our favor in the midst of what turned into a dirge convention was that the other dirges were not able to get guildies to help them kill the heroics, they kinda just ran around fighting over frogs. This should turn into a huge bottleneck as people fight to pop and kill the named.

I wouldn't complain if it was as simple as killing the named or a PH...to add to the fun the item only appears in ornate (and I'm assuming master) chests which are an uncommon drop. THEN the item appears to be considered part of the loot table, so even getting a ornate chest you still have to roll the dice and hope you don't get some weak legendary item.

In summary, instead of walking up to a deer in the woods we get to fight to pop a uncommon heroic named (at one point we got 12 PHs in a row), in an incredibly contested dungeon, who drops an uncommon item, in an uncommon chest WTF!

Some things to consider:
- some of the other lines (defiler that I know for sure) require grinding reet faction, so these guys may help you clear the area of heroic iksar and frogs while you wait on a pop
- the timer on named or PH is roughly 9 minutes
- you will not be able to do this solo, unless you win the lottery and get a master chest to drop off a frog
- if you stand on the central circular platform you will be able to pick up the named in one of what appear to be four pop locations 1) straight ahead right before the pathway truns toward CoA, 2) in roughly the same location except to the right, 3) to the right and down the steps past the heroics, 4) to the left in the fight chamber heading toward the exit
-unless you are clearing heroics, you will only be able to pull pop #2 without additional heroic adds...a pet class would be a big help (especially with spawn #3)

I've already got my update but would really like to see a hotfix for this...it is seriously fucked.

On the bright side, the market for shards on kith dropped from 75+pp to <10 plat last night.

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