Maximizing DPS Questions - Page 4

Albtraum · 04-15-2008, 01:33 PM

Well, it's easy to say 2.5k on a mob that lasts 17 seconds. So, I base dps off the training wall in KJ. It will lessen dps a little because the wall has so much hp (takes me about a minute to a minute and 20 seconds to down the wall)

I average 1600-1800dps on the training wall. I'm still practicing spell combos, because I feel I could be doing a lot more. I'm currently using Lamentation and Segmented Serrator.

Gerras · 12-31-2008, 03:06 PM

A few questions. I see a lot here concerning raiding but I don't raid, I have 2 kids and can't get on in time to go.

I have 3 80's (Guard, Wiz and Conj) and I am now running a dirge up and this is so different then anything else but fun too.

My Dirge is 57 and I do about 30% solo and 70% grouping (the guild is leveling me as quickly as possible, the only other dirges we have are alts and we need their mains for the instances).

I have spoken with these dirges and gotten two completely different concepts on the game. One tells me to spec my AA's sarting with Sta and the other starting with Wis.

I have also been recommended the AA lines of Wis/Int/Str, leaving out Sta. Is this because they are tring to prep me for groups and not raids?

Also I was told not to worry about parses and to expect to parse betwen 700 and 900 but being the buffs I have that I am actually helping the group do additional damage that can't be added to my parse.

I see you all talking parses over 2k, is this only raiding? If not can you give me an idea what you do for say the center heroic in Deep Forge, not the last guy but the middle one. I can relate more to that mob, not that he is tough but we seem to do that place a lot.

Thanks, this newbie Dirge really does appreciate it.

Oh and I am going to redo my hotbars to the suggested spell order to see if that helps me improve. Right now I am in a group of 80's mentoring me so my parses are, shall we say, hysterical at best (hey I do beat the healer though).

Xalir · 01-01-2009, 12:34 AM

The big disavantage if your are not raiding is the mythical weapon. The proc on the weapon really blows and plays a big part what DPS a dirge can pull out. The next disadvantage is stoneskin. With 2 set of VP gear you get a free con slot which makes choices easier what buffs you activate.

This said, you still can parse over 2k or more with the right gear. The TSO Shard set is really powerful and there are some pieces of gear obtainable in group instances that is better than raid gear.

Don't spec STR, it isn't really needed in group instances. You still can save a Bladedance setup in your mirror and switch if you think you need it. But 99% it isn't necessary.

STA 4-4-4-8, WIS 4-4-6-8-2, INT 4-4-4-8, AGI 4-1 is a common spec that is most powerful especially for grouping.

Gerras · 01-01-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Xalir

The big disavantage if your are not raiding is the mythical weapon. The proc on the weapon really blows and plays a big part what DPS a dirge can pull out. The next disadvantage is stoneskin. With 2 set of VP gear you get a free con slot which makes choices easier what buffs you activate.

This said, you still can parse over 2k or more with the right gear. The TSO Shard set is really powerful and there are some pieces of gear obtainable in group instances that is better than raid gear.

Don't spec STR, it isn't really needed in group instances. You still can save a Bladedance setup in your mirror and switch if you think you need it. But 99% it isn't necessary.

STA 4-4-4-8, WIS 4-4-6-8-2, INT 4-4-4-8, AGI 4-1 is a common spec that is most powerful especially for grouping.

Thanks, I really appreciate this information, I took a copy and will make sure I work with these specs and when I get to 80 I know I am going to the instances. That is what they are power leveling me for. Unfortunately they are power leveling me so fast I am lacking on the AA's. So I now have to shut off exp and start grinding quests.

Again thanks, I truly appreciate it and Happ New Years to all.

nhdjoseywales · 01-02-2009, 09:58 AM

you can grind aa on grey quests, i wouldnt worry too much about locking combat xp

Sneaks · 01-02-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerras

I have spoken with these dirges and gotten two completely different concepts on the game. One tells me to spec my AA's sarting with Sta and the other starting with Wis.

You should be speccing for both as the above poster stated. They should be your first two AA lines.

I have also been recommended the AA lines of Wis/Int/Str, leaving out Sta. Is this because they are tring to prep me for groups and not raids?

This person is a retard. Ignore them. ALWAYS Sta / Wis. Then:
Int for most groups.
Str if speccing for BD (suggest mirror for this).
Agi if your group is uber and don't benefit from your int buffs anymore (high-end raid guilds only)

Also I was told not to worry about parses and to expect to parse betwen 700 and 900 but being the buffs I have that I am actually helping the group do additional damage that can't be added to my parse.

I see you all talking parses over 2k, is this only raiding? If not can you give me an idea what you do for say the center heroic in Deep Forge, not the last guy but the middle one. I can relate more to that mob, not that he is tough but we seem to do that place a lot.

If you position properly, there is no reason you can't parse at least 1.5K+. Keep in mind that much of your damage comes from auto-attack, not your CAs/spells. When grouping make sure you dual wield with your epic and a decent 4.0s delay off-hand. Once you start doing some TSO shard runs, get the legendary gloves first (35 Haste makes a big difference).

Your DPS comes from melee. Concentrate on building your strenth. Alot of bards concentrate on int, but with the amount of gear out there with int and your self int buff, you are really wasting your DPS potential. Try to get your str 700+ unbuffed. In groups you should be around 800-900.

For the T7 Master II, pick the hate buff. It doesn't get upgraded in T8 so save yourself a respec down the road

Also, learn your buffs. In heroic instances you will almost always run PoS and Riana's. The other buffs can be situational depending on the tank, group setup and the instance you are running. Experiment and read the other posts here for valuable info. I did and it helped alot

Orani · 01-02-2009, 04:16 PM

Raiding makes a huge difference. Without the fabled gear that is found in raiding zones and avatars, you'll be parsing at most ~1.6k. Assuming ya had the best legendary items for your class from VoES, Sebilis, Chardok, Chelsith, Maiden Chamber, etc. This was pre-Shadow Odyssey xpak.

I don't know after TSO expansion with all the kool new stuff. I bet if ya got the advance void shard armor and the nice charms, armor, and so from the new instances that you will be able to parse up to 2k.

Run ACT and select the encounters to analys, throw out the outliers. You'll get a good understanding.

For me, i do not have any of the Veeshan Peak nor TSO raid zone items equipped except for my Mythical. I lack some of the really nice jewelry from Shard of Hate. I do not have chocker. I am parsing avg 3.4k and top end 4.2k in MT raid. (keep in mind, as raid members improve, your DPS improves a bit as well). I avg parse 3.2k on training dummy.

Use the Guild Hall training dummy to test stuff out if ya have access to one. Ya can stop and start combat as often ya want. When with dummy, I do my best to regulate my practice encounters within a minute duration. Once ya got a combat routine, easy to guess-timate your encounter duration.

Without any haste, My dual weapon delay is 5.3 using two 4.0s weapons. With haste, my delay jumps between 2s to 3.7s.

Make one or two macros to trigger and finish a HO. Swindler Luck (inc combat skill) and Bravo Dance (inc haste) can help much!

Currently, from my analysis, autoattack damage is 36% to 58% of my total encounter damage. My autoattack dmg is averaging between 3.1k and 4.1k and critically hiting for up to 6k. Guildy Bard friends tell me they've seen their autoattack critically hit for up to 9k. This is with my mythical and \aITEM 566560114 1842422081 2065573093:[Battleaxe of Venom]\/a . I use Marrow's Song in my off-hand most of the time, but the autoattack dmg is about the same.

With a proper combat routine, you can easily integrate autoattacks with CAs/Spells/debuffs.

In groups and raids, if ya have to in-combat rez more than twice, then you can easily lose ~800 DPS no matter how good you are. If ya get knockbacked with a stun/stifle once or twice, then you can easily lose ~1.2k DPS no matter how good you are.

Bah, heh, read others to help make up your mind on AA. i've written too much already. lol.

Orani · 01-02-2009, 04:32 PM

Also, make sure you are close enough to autoattack. Use ACT single/double autoattack plugin to help ya know when the autoattack swings. Timing is all about the miliseconds.

If ya are able to use your ranged CA attack, then you are too far away to do melee autoattack.

Krymsun · 01-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Ok My First post so be gentle

I have a level 80 Dirge in a Non Raiding guild " although we have an alliance with another guild to help out with this. Mainly because our guild is more for casual play style. I love to raid once in awhile but not ..... well that neither here nor there.

I have done pretty good soloing up till now.
Yeah Yeah I am a Soloer sometimes I duo with a fury and will even have more in the group depending on what we doing.
I am working on TSO shards for the Lyrical set. The 2 piece raid set I keep seeing people talk about sound nice but wont get
My AA's I have the following
Bard
AGI = 4-4-4-8 For the Parry and Poison procs and bump
STA = 6-4-4-8 For the duble attack %
Wis = 4-4-8-8-1 Hey I like to run fast (fae and mount interfers with my floating) but wanted the DKTM and Allegro

Thinking of changing this a little
AGI = 4-4-4-4
STA = 4-4-4-4
Wis = 4-4-8-8-1
Int = 4-4-4

Any Ideas on this ?

To Many fluctuiations on the Dirge line but here I currently have
Enhance: Sapping Shot 5/5
Enhance: Lanet's Excruciating Scream 5/5
Enhance: Garsin's Funeral March 2/5

Enhance: Haunting Strike 5/5
Enhance: Side Blade 5/5
Enhance: Verlien's Keen of Slowness 3/5
Enhance: Reproaching Discante 3/5
Enhance: Clara's Chaotic Cacophony 3/5
Enhance: Daro's Doleful Dirge 1/5
Degredate 1/1

Enhance: Shroud 4/5
Enhance: Bria's Stirring Ballad 5/5
Enhance: Noxious Chorus 3/5
Enhance: Crypt's Quiet 3/5
Enhance: Cacophony of Blades 5/5
Luck of the Dirge 1/1

Enhance: Singing Strike 5/5
Enhance: Cry of the Departed 5/5

I am currently using
Lamination and the Carotidcutter
Bow is Di'Zok Bow of Flame