Vlix_Oasis

Look I can do one too. This is with 98 Haste and it does not finish in time. Your autoattack bar seems to be pretty slow for 92 Haste.

Not only that but in raid, it's pretty easy to get higher Haste verses SOLOing. Usually about 10-15% faster meaning even in yours, you would delay.





No. You put it in there because someone asked you to UPDATE IT the new aa's in it. Update means Update it and you agreed to it. Your just going backwards now to try to save face.

Now I am sure any order would help someone who didn't know where to start. I used your order when I first started playing a Dirge, it got me started but I knew it had issues and I fixed them. I made my own once I got free time, and the results were much greater than yours.

You made clear mistakes in that order that you could of easily cleared up and anyone who understands the class would pick up on immediately. It's been up for over a year and until now, you supported it 100% with no if ands or buts.

You should seriously stop lying to me. I guess when you later (first page BTW) said this order is for trash that you kill in 20-30 seconds, you meant heroic trash???

Yes, clearly stating you know this order is shit or your just not sure definitely saves you from this argument. Matter of fact, I challenge your competency on your class since you took it upon yourself to call me out.

Ok now I am amazing. Never said that, just that you are without the mental capacity to call me out. Yeah your volumes of work and contributions do speak for themselves. This one is wrong and poorly guided. Maybe your just a bad teacher, maybe?

Yeah your right, my name is likely fucked. All for disagreeing on avatar loot and somehow that leads to a personal attack. Oh well....

done.

Please if you do respond, make a better effort. If not, I am done with this.

Nice to see you again Sonorous. I am glad you care so much. Your words are meaningless gibberish because you can't come up with anything other than name calling and drama which doesn't involve you. However, if you must get involved at least give your buddy Kall a nice rim job. He probably needs it right about now.

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Kall

lol, what a joke of a video. Your clip doesn't even show the 2nd set of auto attacks landing. How the fuck do I know your bar is even accurate? You also don't have any proof of your haste like mine where I have my persona window opened to clearly show my haste.


Look, you're grasping at straws. You're emo-raging because I half-assed added 1 CA on the list. I stated on the first post that it wasn't mathematically perfect. I'm not debating that, yet for some reason you keep driving this in like it's your I win button. I even added Dibbis' post yesterday before all this nonsense because it was an updated spin on what I originally had.


And I can parse 100k. It's easy to throw blanket statements without any proof.

I still support it. It's a good baseline for people to model their shit off of. Look the word up, because you have no idea what it actually means.

Heroics and raid trash both usually die in the same amount of time. I don't even understand what you're arguing about here.

I never said it's shit. I said it's a solid baseline to use. I still stand by that. And challenging my competency on my class. Are you seriously this dumb?

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Fight, fight.

Looks good to me.

Vlix_Oasis

You can clearly see the autoattack delayed by the bar freezing at the end. I will post a much better shot of my Haste next time.

My I win button is 1) I responded to you calling me out with your proposed casting order on the other thread, 2) You said, "pro tip: don't pick a fight I can't win and you will show me how retarded my claim is", 3) we got here and your first post backed your "casting order" w/o recognizing the issues with it, 4) I torn your responses apart with our own posts here about how "the only update it needs is adding such and such ca's", 5) and now using the "I know it isn't mathematically correct" excuse as some sort of safety net.

Oh and BTW what did you attack me with? Competence? You clearly have been shown incompetent by not knowing what was wrong with it. Also you can't be competent in the class if you suspect and are unaware of whether or not a particular casting order is mathematically correct.

I never used anything against you but your own words. Your casting order is not the real issue, your competence and understanding on a such a basic level as this is.

Then again maybe your just a horrible teacher, or maybe when you write something like this you don't care how credible it is. Maybe in the next post you will answer this.

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Perm

Let me explain.

No.

There is too much.

Let me sum up.

Vlix says that Kall's casting order sucks and can be improved.

Kall is like what's up bitch? Oh no you didn't.

Vlix is like, w/e that shit sucks and you suck.

Kall is like, well as I said, that is a starting baseline for people with no idea and is supposed to be tuned according to each player/situation.

Vlix is like, yeah I used it when I started and then I tuned it for myself - but your casting order sucks.

Everyone is like "..."

For the record, Kall is fucking amazing and challenged my notion of the dirge class and it's capacities - making every other dirge I have ever grouped with look bad in comparison.

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Kall

I'm done responding to your crap. Step back for a minute and read what you're posting. It's fucking sad...really sad.

The people on this forum can decide who won this argument. If you want make a poll, I don't give a fuck.

It's impossible to win a debate when your opponent is incapable of realizing defeat.

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Ok I am confused...on one hand we have Kall's base casting order (which he admits is just a start and should be altered accordingly) supported by a number of pretty amazing parses in the dirge parse thread...

On the other hand, we have Vlix who comes in here to challenge Kall but first admits that he used Kall's casting order in its intended fasion as a starting point. Yet set forth no parses to demonstrate how much more adept he is than Kall...

Why does Vlix believe he is winning this battle of wits?

Splorch

Terrible dirges never admit they suck. Even in raids, if 2 dirges decide to battle for top bard parse, the loser will always blame buffs, myth proc, and temp buff failure from other groupies. Same applies to this debate...

Dibbis

lol,

i dont see the why vlix wants to argue with kall, its obvious to most that kall definatly knows his shit. both my cast order and kalls, are like we both mention, starters/baselines.

back when i rolled my dirge and started off with a similar cast order of what kall posted, it worked great. and in time i just catered my starter/baseline cast order to my aa's, gear, buffs, etc.. which everyone has to do.

i said it in the other thread, all you can get out of people is a baseline, there will never be a set cast order. if your looking for that magic cast order your wasting time and need to realize this. no cast order will be 100% perfect for everyone in every situation. its just not gunna happen. take a good starter and get the flow going but always be ready to alter it on the fly and adapt to whats going on so you can keep up a high parse in all situations. be it trash, avatars, instance named, w/e...

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Vlix_Oasis

best response yet.

here's the original call-out for those who missed it:

here's his later responce that lead to my post here:

Yeah Lanet's Scream is horrible. Autoattacks are not considered, and yeah he's too lazy to test it. He only has 1 leg to stand on and it's that he didn't test it. No shit!

Instead of saying that from the beginning, he would rather sidetrack to it was created when our myth delay was 3.5 seconds.

Oh wait! Someone asked him to adjust it for TSO abilities and in TSO, the myth is 4.0 and timing autoattacks is pretty damn important.

His reply, "nothing needs changed". Really??

But hey it doesn't matter because he didn't mathematically test it and yeah it's just a baseline. i dunno seems pretty dumb to me to post a shitty casting order trying to help people out. particularly when you know it is wrong. or maybe it is because Kall didn't see what was wrong with it. i believe the later.

as far as the magic of casting orders. yeah writting a perfect one that covers all situations perfectly isn't possible. however, if you truly know anything bout the class, then writting a basic casting order that makes sense should be very simple just like using those abilities in game. the only difference is your writting it instead of pressing the buttons. if you can't do one well, it is hard to believe you can do the other any better.

i could be wrong and kall is an amazing player. doesn't matter this is about competence, knowing the class and not knowing what mistakes are in a simple casting order by your own standards (such as dispatch on 20 second fights) is incompetent.

if you think that order is awesome by all means use it. i would suggest looking at Dibbis not because it is more recent but because it is more thought out as a baseline to start with.

sorry kall i don't need a poll where all your supporters and fans can vote for you just because. you have proved nothing except that you can backtrack, write posts that aren't worth a damn, and post a youtube video. and oh yeah call people incompetent when your incompetent yourself.

bye bye

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