Casting Order Help - Page 16

Vlix_Oasis · 08-25-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lint

bump => sod => shriek blade => stealth => misfortunes kiss (I know a mixture of old and new names) which Kall showed he can time without delaying an autoattack. I think it would be tight to fit 3 CA's in with the amount of lag that seems to be prevelent nowadays but I'm sure I could do it.

Yeah I would like to know how. I tried over and over, posted a video showing it not working, and also I very well doubt it will work in a raid. Just as you said, lag and yeah he only had 92 Haste, I run and I think most do run in the mid-100's on haste. It doesn't work whether Kall wants to post a video of him doing it solo or not.

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Originally Posted by Lint

Whats wrong with the rest of it then that you need one that looks completely different? All I hear is a lot of I know I'm better but I won't tell you why, this leaves me to think you're full of shit and grasping at straws.

If you really think this is about a Casting Order and me being better, you have been reading the wrong thread. It is about Kall competence period. He decided to call me out on it so I am calling him out on it. He isn't incompetent because his order sucks. He is because he uses excuses like it was created when our myth was 3.5 delay and not used specifically for raids, however I have proven that is not true and when asked to update during TSO he said "nothing needs changed" and contains Evasive Manuevers, and it isn't used for raids but later on the same page said, "we kill trash in 20 seconds with dispatch". I guess he meant heroic trash which dies in 10 seconds especially with dispatch and oh yeah who does half that shit in groups?? I call bullshit and thus he has not proven any point.

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Originally Posted by Lint

I'm indifferent either way, I think Kall has done a lot for the dirge community, but the essence of Flames has always been if someone is speaking shit call them out. You've tried to call Kall out but so far you're not proving your case against him.

He called me not the other way around. I only came back at him with this because of that. I had no issue with him until then and since he has ran off admitting defeat.

Point is don't call someone incompetent when you write shit yourself that can be used against you to show your incompetence. Especially from a class leader, I expect more.

Argyuile · 08-25-2009, 12:36 PM

I was going to post a response but I'm still waiting for loot council to finish its decision.

Sonorous · 08-25-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

WTF would a parse have to do with a Kall's incompetence with his own posts?? The only one I have left was a clip for a guildie awhile back. If you want to see it I will post it but it doesn't prove anything. It was before I had any good gear and was just a few mobs in palace. All old Palace parses logs have been deleted. My highest I believe was 12k ZW there. However, I don't believe this has anything to do with the subject so prove why it does before I bother.

Oh and if someone decides to be lame and pick at this thread, I won't bother. I have proved my point and I am tired of the derailing with this shit. It is a waste of time.

You sound like a teenager forced to sit at the kiddie table because they weren't enough seats at the grown-up table. You're petulant and abrasive and all you've succeeded in doing is making visible your ignorance. I think many people, including myself, are waiting for you to explain what, exactly, you've proven.

The entire point of a casting order is to improve dps. Every single thread about the subject is about maximizing dps or improving dps. DPS is best represented by a parse. How can you not see the relationship? When people challenge you to post a parse after you've said, many times I might add, that your way is the best way, they are looking for substantiative proof.

Ultimaomega · 08-25-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

I started with it because I jumped in 1 day to play a guildmates level 80 dirge cause we didn't have one. I used his to start until I had time to figure out my own and know what all the spells do. So yeah Kalls casting order got me through the first days of playing a dirge. Once I knew what the spells do, I knew it was shit. Not hard to understand that.

Mission fucking accomplished, then. That's what the casting order is pretty much for. What you used it for just so happens to sum up the BASELINE concept. Learn english, fucknuts.

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

Where did I say put in <autoattack> into a casting order? I only used it in the post to make a point.

A pretty retarded point. Why would you make a point about <autoattack> not being in the cast order, if you apparently don't care about it being there anyway?

Kall · 08-25-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

...and when asked to update during TSO he said "nothing needs changed" and contains Evasive Manuevers, and it isn't used for raids but later on the same page said, "we kill trash in 20 seconds with dispatch".

Wait, what?

Show me where I posted "we kill trash in 20s with dispatch".

Keep trying to fraps 3 CAs in between auto attacks Vlix. You can do it!

Ballads · 08-25-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

wow history lesson for those who don't know shit about oasis. Tyranny is Paradigm reformed with a new name. Sorry I didn't include that fact for you.

Oh im well aware of who some of their members reformed from, but they lost avatars in rok so they didn't have the server on lock then.

Qwin · 08-25-2009, 03:10 PM

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Yeah I would like to know how. I tried over and over, posted a video showing it not working, and also I very well doubt it will work in a raid.

Ummm Try Macroing it... might work better for you....

Sorry... no i don't know how to quote properly /hangs head in shame...

Vlix_Oasis · 08-25-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonorous

The entire point of a casting order is to improve dps. Every single thread about the subject is about maximizing dps or improving dps. DPS is best represented by a parse. How can you not see the relationship? When people challenge you to post a parse after you've said, many times I might add, that your way is the best way, they are looking for substantiative proof.

Fine.

Here you go. Not my best but a quick 4 dummies (2 groups) in a row nonetheless. No Avatar gear, no Miracles/Blessings, no group buffs, no clickies and no pots or stones. Wasn't even paying attention to Intrepid just did the order.

Happy now?

Orani · 08-25-2009, 06:57 PM

Vlix, heheh, damn dude. Time for some beer. Folk are going to decide them self who is more credible according to their own persuasions obtained from reading posts and some give folk's name tremendously more credit than others. I hear ya where ya coming from.

However, Vlix, I don't understand your self-righteous attitude here about "if folk can't understand the obvious mistakes, then pointless to, for me Vlix, to post a cast order that folk will not understand".

http://www.eq2flames.com/dirges/5089...ml#post1080396. Good post by Vlix in another thread I found interesting and it does makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Sonorous

The entire point of a casting order is to improve dps. Every single thread about the subject is about maximizing dps or improving dps. DPS is best represented by a parse. How can you not see the relationship? When people challenge you to post a parse after you've said, many times I might add, that your way is the best way, they are looking for substantiative proof.

Posting parses to challenge another player mean nothing unless the two parses being compared have all adjectives, or attributes, the exact same. Attributes include are gear, buffs, group setup, raid setup, raid/group dps quality, encounter duration, mob variant, and casting order.

Casting order = best represented by parse? Yeah, if a old casting order truely sucks that was then improved, then this is true. This is the extent of it. In the big picture, after utilizing a fairly dps effecient casting order, then casting order is quite a small piece of the parse.

I enjoy the forum's parse threads to observe the DPS boundaries of a character classes, which I find interesting.

perfect casting order = "A dps effecient casting order according to window time frames provided by weapon delays, cast/reuse/recov speed, mob encounters, gear, and player buffs/debuffs."

I find interesting in how folk like to use the term "baseline" as a cop out to mask their laziness in providing further elaboration. /sigh

Kall · 08-25-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Orani

I find interesting in how folk like to use the term "baseline" as a cop out to mask their laziness in providing further elaboration. /sigh

If this was directed at me:

Despite what some people apparently think, I don't get paid for posting here, sharing spell orders, or creating and keeping the loot thread up to date. Fuck, I don't even benefit at all from the loot thread, and it's a pretty cumbersome task to keep it up to date.

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Originally Posted by Vlix_Oasis

Happy now?

Good job ducking my question on your misquote of me.

Also, good job on continuing to base your entire accusation against my casting order that 3 CAs in an auto attack can't be done when I already proved it can.

By the way 10K on 4 dummies doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can selectively parse decent numbers under ideal conditions.

Also, you're retarded for not having Turnstrike for the content your guild does.