TSO AA's-DPS Spec/Your thoughts??? - Page 4

Pinski · 12-28-2008, 08:33 PM

52% DA for a 110 DR weapon = 167 "DPS"

24% DA for 2x110 DR DW weapons = 181.9 "DPS"

Hrm, well damn look at that. DW does more DPS.

MT Group doesn't need more DPS-mod unless it's a terribly formed group(Coercer+dirge = more than high enough). The little increase from the INT line for skills won't make much of a difference.

Xalir · 12-28-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by canon9ball

Finally to respond to the post concerning intel line and MT group being a waste of time. I disagree. Rhythm blade offers increases in combat and spell casting skills to the dirge. Minstrel's Aria increases combat skills, how well you and your group uses their weapons. This AA increases weapon boon. Then Minstrel's Melody increase dps for the song Riana's indignant sustain. So for a dirge in the MT group to not use these AA skills out of the intel line, you should reevaluate your AA's. I've discovered that the MT hold agro through two things...their DPS and their ability to push the taunt buttons.

You are wrong on this part. If you spend more than 5 points in INT (4-1) you waste points. Especially in the MT-Group. Rhythm blade increases your skills by 26 for the first point spend and then only 1 point more for each point you put in. DPS mod in the MT group with Coercer is in a VP clearing guild already over 160. Thats around 120% DPS Mod. You can only gain 5% more DPS.
With Guardian, Templer, Swindlers Luck and Rhythm blade you already over the skill cap so spending more points to increase boon is worthless.
You better spending your points into STR-line for Bladedance or AGI-line for poison. Although Bladedance sucks and Poison don't give you a real boost either

canon9ball · 12-28-2008, 10:27 PM

Pinski, after reading your post. I suppose, what I'm lacking is the knowledge of the math to determine the dps output on the damage rating on a weapon.
I think it would probably benifit every dirge to know how to determine the dps on a weapon. Would you mind sharing how you get the numbers?

canon9ball · 12-28-2008, 10:47 PM

Xalir, how could I have missed that? You are absolutly right on rhythm blade, one point is sufficient. Thank you for correcting my clear mistake. I'm respecing right away.
Thank you!

Niber · 12-29-2008, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by canon9ball

Pinski, after reading your post. I suppose, what I'm lacking is the knowledge of the math to determine the dps output on the damage rating on a weapon.
I think it would probably benifit every dirge to know how to determine the dps on a weapon. Would you mind sharing how you get the numbers?

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Originally Posted by Pinski

52% DA for a 110 DR weapon = 167 "DPS"

24% DA for 2x110 DR DW weapons = 181.9 "DPS"

Hrm, well damn look at that. DW does more DPS.

MT Group doesn't need more DPS-mod unless it's a terribly formed group(Coercer+dirge = more than high enough). The little increase from the INT line for skills won't make much of a difference.

Uhm..

110 * 1.52 = 167 dps

Duel-wield ranking. (This might be wrong, it's 2am!)

(110 - 0.33 * 110)*2 = 147
147 * 0.24 = 35
~182 dps

Orani · 12-29-2008, 10:23 AM

I am not completely sold on the INT line for the boon and dps boost in MT group.

Ya need at least 1 point in Bump. Bump is freak'n awesome in my routine to whip out Scream dot really quick. This means you'll have 12 points to put in either Minstral's Aria (boon) and Minstral's Melody (dps).

In MT group, should be MT, Dirge, 3 priests, and Coercer so only the dirge and MT would get benefit from the AA boon/dps buff. However, this is completely different if you are the dirge in the melee DPS group.

In MT group without boon song, my piercing is 491 and slashing is 514, and the tanks combat skill is at 518. Supposedly, I've read that the combat skill cap is 520, but my guild's MT says it's 550 so I don't know. I still put on Boon.

The poison proc from AGI line definately helps your personal DPS by at least 150 DPS since the proc can crit pretty high. I'd share the numbers but I don't have my sheet with me.

Should I get INT boon/dps buff when in raid melee DPS group? definately

Should I get INT boon/dps buff when in MT group? Umm, maybe. it won't hurt or will help just about the same as the poison proc in my guild's MT group.

canon9ball · 12-29-2008, 09:38 PM

Orani

the MT group set up for us is always, MT, me(dirge), defiler, templar, coercer, and normally a assassin.
Before I respec off the Intel line I was using, the whole process behind me using intel was to increase the weapon skill and raise the dps song buff, but after reading replies from Pinski and Xalir concerning the intel line, they are right in their comments. There is not alot of increase significant enough to warrent the use of the INT line beyond 4-1 spec. I had to really look at my old spec which was intel of 4-4-6-6 and reevaluate the real need for anything in the intel line beyond the 4-1 spec.

Orani · 12-30-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by canon9ball

Orani

There is not alot of increase significant enough to warrent the use of the INT line beyond 4-1 spec. I had to really look at my old spec which was intel of 4-4-6-6 and reevaluate the real need for anything in the intel line beyond the 4-1 spec.

Rhythm Blade and Swindler Luck should not be a decision variable. Dirges are hired in raids for group and raid support. Dirges are not rogues or predators. Don't see folk say'n there should be rogue or predator in 3 out of the 4 groups (or i've heard from some 4 out of 4 groups) in raids like is said with Dirges.

In raids, the AA points in the Wayfarer's Watch and 3 extra points in Bump is useless as well except for the mandatory assignment of them to obtain the poison proc.

How high are the melee DPS group member's combat skill and DPS mod?

I don't know, I am a MT dirge and only been in the melee DPS group a couple times. I figure a 5% DPS gain means more in the melee DPS group instead of the MT group due to the group build.

What are ya'lls thoughts on intelligence line for melee DPS group?

Xalir · 01-01-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Orani

In MT group without boon song, my piercing is 491 and slashing is 514, and the tanks combat skill is at 518. Supposedly, I've read that the combat skill cap is 520, but my guild's MT says it's 550 so I don't know.

Skill cap is 520 @ lvl80 ( 80 * 6,5 )

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Originally Posted by Orani

How high are the melee DPS group member's combat skill and DPS mod?

I don't know, I am a MT dirge and only been in the melee DPS group a couple times. I figure a 5% DPS gain means more in the melee DPS group instead of the MT group due to the group build.

What are ya'lls thoughts on intelligence line for melee DPS group?

Depends on group setup. Berserker and/or Inquisitor increases your DPS mod high enough.
Scouts except Bards have an offense stance that increases their weapon skills. Besides this, increasing weapon skills is the easiest part. Just play HOs in your group. If they don't know how to play them correctly they don't deserve it.