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Old 11-24-2008, 10:08 AM  
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I didn't make a post like this in RoK because I didn't feel there were any Dirge issues; or any worthwhile that would require attention. With the new expansion and the introduction of another AA tree, obviously some issues pop up that I feel are now significant enough to warrant such a thread.
Questions:

Where is enhance Bump in the Bard Tree so Grim Strike lines up with it?

Why do Assassin's get a 40+% increase to their best CA, Death Mark, and neither of our best 2 abilities (Scream of Blood and Banshee) are even on the AA list. As a matter of fact, they have yet to appear on any of our AA trees.

Why is Dissonant Requiem's casting time still 2.5s for only ~1K AE damage?

Why does Sacrificial Oration cost 5 points to remove the stifle when Assassin's Killing Blow costs 1 point for the FULL Deathblow proc?

Why is Battle Cry still not self castable? There is clearly no benefit to cast it on yourself when raiding or grouping, so this only comes down to a hindrance in solo play.

Why does Intoxicating Notes not proc on ANY attack?

Why does Disease Mastery affect less than 50% of our total disease damage?

How come Lanet's Scream doesn't benefit from Disease Mastery?

Why, for the third expansion in a row, are our best AAs passive buffs instead of active abilities?


What the AAs should have been:

-Replace Deathly Howl with Banshee.

-Replace Vile Blade with Scream of Blood.

-Disease mastery should have 25% more critical damage and 10% reuse. The drastic increase in critical damage would encourage Dirges to get spell crit instead of being 100% melee focused.

-Improve Dissonant Requiem's casting speed some way whether it's from AAs or adjusting the spell manually. The 25% from Disease Mastery isn't nearly enough.

-Nerf Battle Cry by 5% DA but make the flurry component affect both the Dirge and the recipient.

-Bard tree needs Bump in it or the AA needs to be adjusted to 20s recast.

-Rework the 2 +skills buffs in the Bard tree and come up with something else.


What the Dirge Tree Shadow Tree should have looked like:

Bard Tree
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Add Enhance Bump - increase base damage and accuracy by 10%, improves reuse by 2s per rank. (This would allow Bump and Grim Strike/Night Strike to have the same reuse.)

Drop Defensive Ballad - Completely useless for Troubs. It's also redundant as we can already enhance it via KoS STR line AAs.

Dirge Tree
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Add Enhance Dissonant Requiem - Increase casting speed by 10%, increase base damage by 10% per rank. (This spell really needs this much help for it to be useful. It currently has an absurd cast time to damage ratio and is rarely used.)
Add Enhance Banshee - Shortens duration by 10%, increase base damage by 5%, improves casting speed by 5% per rank.
Add Enhance Scream of Blood - Shortens duration by 10%, adds 20% splurt increase to each DoT, improves reuse by 2s per rank
Add Enhance Gravitas - Adds enhance 2% hostile spell damage per rank.

Drop Deathly Howl - Disease Mastery already affects it + it's in the EoF tree
Drop Vile Blade - It's just not that good
Drop Defensive Curse - This AA sucks


Raid Set Gear:

Why is our legendary set better than our raid set?

Where is the haste on the gloves?

Where is the CoB increase on the chest? +slash, pierce?

Why did the removal of Percussion of Stone's concentration slot get moved to our chest which is the best piece of gear outside of set gear?

The new 2 set chest focus: Enhance Speech of Sacrifice is 100% crap. Both end game raiders and casual raiders will be shackeled to the VP 2 set forever now.

Where is the CoB recast reduction? Why isn't this a focus effect on our legs?

What the Raid Set should have been:

Gloves - Add 40 haste, make effect on all spells and CAs

Helm - Add 4 DA, make effect on all spells and CAs.
Change focus to +slash

Forearms - Add +slash and +pierce

Legs - Add 5 melee crit, Drop Riana's Focus, Add Rhythmic War Chant proc, Add Focus Banshee or Focus Scream of Blood (Increase Base Damage by 30%)

Chest - Drop Rhythmic War Chant proc, drop Focus Percussion and add Focus Speech of Sacrifice, this piece is supposed to suck so we can use Avatar/Contested


Shoulders - Drop +focus, add +slash

Boots - Drop +CA/spell. Add the Trooper Scale Boots type proc seen on the Legendary Scout Chest Sets (12 melee DA, 6 ranged DA for 10-15s)

2 set - Focus Percussion of Stone - Removes conc slot. Adds +5 group crit mit to Percussion.

4 set - Reduce recast of Blades by 30s. Focus Chimes of Blades - Adds 35% item trigger chance.

5 set - Rhythmic War Chant proc - 5% base spell/heal/CA damage for group.

6 set - Enhance Boon - 10% melee accuracy.

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Old 11-24-2008, 10:35 AM  
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To all of the above... /agree

Additionally, I'd like to see:
An AA choice that turns Wail into a moderate damage disease based pbae nuke, instead of just an interrupt (and effected by DM).
*damage to work on epics, but not interrupt*
Add a power cost and casting time equal to penetrating shriek to compensate for the added damage.
There are plenty of gimp AA choices in the shadow lines this could replace.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:52 PM  
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Your crazy we clearly need more passive buffs so I can /afk /af even better.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:18 PM  
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/agree

that pretty much sums it all up!

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Old 11-24-2008, 03:12 PM  
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+1 Kall agree with you.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:12 PM  
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Yep agree, Ive done a few feedbacks regarding some of these issues most likely they will fall on def ears...

The 2 piece TSO fabled set bonus is my main concern..
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:45 AM  
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OMG! Dirges start whining, i think, we (troubadours) must doing the same, otherwise we can lose the moment and will suck.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:48 AM  
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Troubs have been whining...where have you been?

Fortunatly most troubs have the decency not to do that in the section designated for Dirge whining
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:22 PM  
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I had a free 20 minutes so I did our fabled set gear. Since that only took me 10 mins and I'm a nice guy, I did the Troub set as well.

Note - I liked the introduction of focus to raiding bard gear AFTER they made all Bard stuff non-interruptable. Nice touch.

Dirge
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Gloves - Add 40 haste, make effect on all spells and CAs

Helm - Add 4 DA, make effect on all spells

Forearms - Add +slash and +pierce

Legs - Add 5 melee crit, Drop Riana's Focus, Add Rhythmic War Chant proc, Add Focus Banshee or Focus Scream of Blood (Increase Base Damage by 30%)

Chest - Drop Rhythmic War Chant proc, drop Focus Percussion and add Focus Speech of Sacrifice, this piece is supposed to suck so we can use Avatar/Contested

Shoulders - Drop +focus, add +slash

Boots - Drop +CA/spell. Add the Trooper Scale Boots type proc seen on the Legendary Scout Chest Sets (12 melee DA, 6 ranged DA for 10-15s)

2 set - Focus Percussion of Stone - Removes conc slot. Adds +5 group crit mit to Percussion.

4 set - Reduce recast of Blades by 30s. Focus Chimes of Blades - Adds 35% item trigger chance.

6 set - Enhance Boon - 10% melee accuracy.

Our set bonuses were pretty good last tier, no need to change them too much.


Troub
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Gloves - Add 40 haste, make effect on all spells and CAs

Helm - Add 4 DA, make effect on all spells

Forearms - Add +slash and +pierce

Legs - Add 5 melee crit, Drop Alin's Focus, Add Rhythmic War Chant proc, Add Focus Thunderous Overture (Increase Base Damage by 30%)

Chest - Drop Rhythmic War Chant proc, drop Focus Aria of Magic, add Focus Alin's, this piece is supposed to suck so we can use Avatar/Contested

Shoulders - Drop +focus, add +slash

Boots - Drop +CA/spell. Add the Trooper Scale Boots type proc seen on the Legendary Scout Chest Sets (12 melee DA, 6 ranged DA for 10-15s)

2 set - Focus Aria of Magic - Removes conc slot. Adds 10% trigger chance to Aria of Magic.

4 set - Reduce recast of Perfection by 30s. Focus Perfection of the Maestro - Adds 35% item trigger chance.

6 set - Jester's Cap - Change 8% to 15%.

This gives Troub's Perfection an equal bonus to Dirge's Blades and enhances their set bonuses greatly from last tier.

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Old 11-25-2008, 04:35 PM  
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Our heal is a complete piece of shit waste of a fucking ability, especially for raiding. The only way you can convince me to even consider casting this spell is if it were no longer a HoT but was a ward, or instant heal instead. DO NOT GIVE US AAs FOR THIS SHIT SPELL JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER.
That said, I feel like SOE is trying to make us buff bots again, they have improved our DPS, but they have done several things that force us to be more utility and less DPS.

1st we can no longer cast any ability bonuses from gear and then equip better DPS
gear.
2nd our best AA ability gained is not self castable.
3rd they avoided giving any AA focus to abilities we actually want for DPS.
4th they put one of the most useful things we had last expansion: free PoS. On our set chest piece, forcing us to wear it, or wear our old VP 2 piece, with no crit mitigation.

Lastly SOE was completely uncreative with either the new armor set or the new AAs. The armor set bonuses are exactly the fucking same, except our 2 piece is more retarded shit for our fucking heal, instead of something that's actually fucking useful.
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