Firza

that you can not compare it does not mean that there is no reason to compare it....

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Originally Posted by Firza Sings for Glory and Glamour

Stormsinger

its not like bards are overpowered, why not give them a weapon with a leet proc like that AND a good damage rating? The only reason not to do that is to put bards in our places as buff bots, so fuck SOE, I'll take the personal DPS tyvm. BTW fix the fucking drum and add an adornment worth a damn for symbols or w/e the fuck it is kthx.

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OMG your vagina resists are over 10K!
By the way, reading this thread was like watching a couple of retards trying to have sex with each other...
¿

Illuminator

It still hasn't clicked in your head yet has it.

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Oh shit I just had a memwipe, why is retarded uncle Roger still designing raids for this game again?
Some players might bot against encounters but it seems like he bots the encounter design!

therealclintv

screenshots or it didnt happen

for it to provide these individual dps's it would have had to proc somewhere around(using dps*60/1915 figure provided):

troub - 10.3 ppm
dirge - 6.4 ppm
ranger - 8.7 ppm
coercer - 10.5 ppm
illusionist - 20.1 ppm

with a proc rate that low, 1.8ppm i highly doubt your going to reach the upper numbers here... maybe if u got lucky and it procced on every other swing i could see it happening on a fluke chance but not a zw for sure

11493 / 60 = 191.55 dps*min / proc
191.55 * 1.8 * 1.2(luck of dirge) * 1.3(greater hollow aria) ~= 538 dps groupwide

(thats a generous figure but could vary on group crit etc.)

considering the top end of the weapons dmg is exactly 10% less than empowered talon, we can assume that your probably losing 10% of you auto attack due to the spread... most of the people in parse thread are getting approx 2k from their talon so u lose prolly 200dps + 2da + 7mc, probably enough to even out the 538 dps. you ARE shifting your dps to the groups... if they fix spread and change the damage spell crit to melee crit i think it would be a better weapon

I don't think you get it. This is what happens when u poke your head in and don't follow the dirge threads and try to call out people who actually play the class....

Lint

You're not factoring in crit rate, base damage mods or debuffs

Cexi

You seriously think I am lying about those numbers? Idiot...

http://www.eq2flames.com/attachments...ace_trash1.jpg

EDIT: Ranger also posted his parse.

http://www.eq2flames.com/attachments...2009-02-01.jpg

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therealclintv

The item procced at LEAST 116 times in 12.15 mins or roughly 9.55ppm. And yes I knew crits+debuffs etc would push the dmg higher. That seems to be an overly high amount of procs. And I wasn't too far from the mark considering the numbers being used.

I wish my mythical procced that much, it would always be up. I knew when I wrote that post that there was a chance you might have a screenie, so I already had the critical question in mind... how did it proc that much? Screenshot proves that the weapon does give your group more dps than it would reduce your personal dps.

On a side note, why would the illy crit 100% of his personal nukes and only 59% of the procs? Is that using the bards spell crit for the proc?

therealclintv

Since it reads "on any successful attack", it is probably procing off of things like PoM, chimes, maybe even dot ticks. I don't know the mechanics of what that can/can't proc off of, but there are probably some ping pong procs here. In fact, the proc can prolly trigger a proc...

Kall

"Any" means ranged CAs, melee CAs, ranged auto attack, melee auto attack, and spell attacks.

On items that are not copy/paste, they usually fuck them up some way so I wouldn't be surprised if once the Bard proc'd the proc for their group, the recipients were then able to refresh the proc.

Edit - Actually I'd bet the 3 trigger thing is broken and it's lasting the full 15s duration. That'd at least explain the disparity in procs between the illusionist and ranger.

Cexi

As you can see on the parse, he was auto attacking, and the proc is Any. So, I'm going to guess that's why the crit rate is so low for him. And he was STR specced.

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