Firza

We are king of dps buffs, but I noticed that my guildies always prefer to buff others over me.

This is not a whine threat, just asking for oppinions. Should we ask for single target buffs from groupies, or should we not.

For example, wardens never give me the + skill buff. When in MT group it goes to the guardian. Assassins lately started applying poison to the guardians blades in Mt group etc.

What single target buffs should we get from other classes in what group set up? Or are all buffs always spend better on other classes?

/discuss, or delete threat if we are just not a good buffage target

Carvium

The +skill buff should go to the MT imo as defensive stance reduces skill points, but yeah totally agree we do get stiffed with single buffs every time. Even to the point where they go to a class that can't make any use of them.

The only one's I can think of off hand are poison on my blades and on those rare occasions i'm in a dps group with a fury then i want vim. If a mage isn't above the diminishing returns threshold then they don't deserve it in the first place. Also that heal buff that gives you a HoT heal is handier than OoS and should be given to us seen as we end up spot healing spiek damage anyway. Only ever been given it once, seems to be wasted most of the time.

The only good thing is that if the group member gets funny with you asking for it, you can then cast hyrans on them and silently chuckle in an evil way as they die :P

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Windraa

Heh..I remember blackmailing our assassin for Hemotoxin.
If he did'nt give me poison, I did'nt buff Tombs...
Worked like a charm every time

Running with swash in MT group now (when needed) so no more hemo for me...
Sucks...because it was usually close to 8% of my zw

Kallarn

If in MT group ive noticed lately the assassin giving the mt the poison too, i tend to get coercer dps buff in Mt group unless the hate decrease is up on a sorcerer. If im in a dps group i barely ever get haste from illu or dps from coercer and never get vim.

Carvium

we are unloved

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Kytar

Even in the DPS group I can't get any love. I miss out on INQ DPS and lLL Haste.

A while ago I managed to convince the INQ that if no one was taking much damage, he could drop some defensive thing to give me DPS. That did not last long though.

I swap around AAs quiet a bit and run alot of testing. I generally find that if I swap to a new AA and ask for buffs for 'testing purposes' I do tend to get them. Until the other classes whine too much.

If you can get a spell on you to start with "just to test it out" then the majority of the time they forget to take it off.

Oh, and if you do manage to get a buff somehow, recheck it after deaths, they generally fall back into habit and ignore us after a rez.

I do get time-compression alot though which is nice. Our healer does not need it most of the time and I am the only other person with spells.

Some people have proc type spells, often limited charge ones that they put on the DPS classes. That makes little sense to me. You would be better putting a proc on a bard than an assassin. Either way it gets procced for the same damage, but the bard is less likely to get agro.

What makes it really suck, is that generally speaking there is a good reason for them to buff others over us, which makes it hard to argue the point.

Symphany

As far as an Inquisitor group goes, there is no reason at all a Dirge can't get a DPS buff. In fact, there's no real reason to have the two group health/mitigation buffs up at all, unless you happen to be in the MT/OT group and even then you can make solid arguments against those.

Break it down. Inquisitor and 5 concentration slots. Most Inquisitors will be in the DPS/scout group. Generally speaking, you have at least three scouts rolling in it if not more. What have we learned in EQ2? DPS is the King and Mr. Hitpoints is a strong advisor.

What's the Inquisitor group buffs give ya? Act of Conviction M1 Proc on a successful attack, 1.5/min, 416 divine damage. Pious M1 ~250hp each, some physical mitigation. Fanatic's Faith M1 321hp each, some mitigation vs. stuff. All three take up a concentration slot. So the total hitpoints for Pious/Fanatic's Faith for the group (6 members) is 250x6 + 321x6 = ~3500hp total group hitpoints. Consecrated Aura M1 31DPS oh...and 964 hitpoints. Ok, so, let's say you have an Inquisitor, random enchanter, 4 scouts. Obviously the role of the Inquisitor in this group is to A.) keep the group alive and B.) DPS. You are certainly not worried at all about mitigation vs. mostly timed AE attacks. So, obvious buff ...Act of Conviction. Four slots to go...4 scouts. So, 964x4 = ~3800 hitpoints total. You gain sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much DPS AND ~300 hitpoints total and what did you lose? ~500hp on the Inquisitor and enchanter.

With five scouts and the Inquisitor a choice needs to be made. Does Act of Conviction provide more DPS than that fifth scout's DPS buff? If you do toss a fifth Consecrated Aura, what did you do? 964x5 = ~4800 total hitpoints vs. ~3500. And you lost? ~500 hitpoints on the Inquisitor.

So, scout group Inquisitor's should have:

Inquisitor
Dirge
Scout
Scout
Scout
Illusionist (Coercer)

Act of Conviction + 4 Consecrated Aura

or

Inquisitor
Dirge
Scout
Scout
Scout
Scout

5 Consecrated Aura or Act of Conviction + 4 Consecrated Aura

All seems pretty simple. Talk to the folks playing the buffing toons and come to them with detailed arguments why they shouldn't be buffing like they are used to and you may find you get buffed. This is just one example, there are many other situations and class types that can just hammer out good logical assessments and get buffed up correctly.

But, in the very end. Buff the people that know how to play. I'm not tossing good buffs to mediocre players. Once you get the buffs, you better parse and once you do parse, you make sure those buffers know it.

Deleterio

Our MT Group- Guard Dirge Temp Def Coer Swash

I would ask for Impetus from the coercer.

Our Melee DPS group- Inquis Dirge Illu Bruiser Brig Brig

I would ask for Haste, DPS mod, and Dbl attk, but I would only get Haste and DPS mod lol. (If only i could convince the Illu that dbl attk on a dirge who auto bows in the sweetspot with 0 dbl attk is more beneficial then giving a brig with 69% another 25%.. Cas it actually is)

Our OT group- Pally Zerker Dirge Mystic Temp Coercer

I would ask for Impetus, and the Mystic 3% proc increase as it affects Stone Skin, and would increase dps, and since the pally pretty much has no one esle to put amends on, dirge needs to be able to put up some numbers in that group

Our Mage group- Fury, Illu, Troub, Wiz, Wiz, Warlock

Lucky ass troubs get Agitate, IA, haste, Procs, and the warlock proc increaser!

Paikis

Ugh, you do WHAT with your mage groups? Kick one of the wizards atleast, and maybe the warlock and get some summoners. They get so much more out of our buffs it's not funny. Jester's cap can be cast cross-raid, and Aria/PotM proc a shit-ton more on conjurors and necros than on warlocks wizards. Keep one wizard for their ice-damage proc... can't recall the name atm.

My ideal mage group would be:
Fury, Troub (me), illusionist, wizard, conjuror, necro.

In a perfect world (for me) I'd get agitate and Vim from the Fury, I'd get illusionary arm and time compression from the illy, I'd get Pheonix Blade from the wizard and ember seed from the conj.

Ours almost ALWAYS have either an SK/Pally or another scout of some kind in them though. As a Troubador I have to fight for ANY buffage. Also, since we only occasionally have a warlock, I don't get Propagation very often either, not that 4% extra proc chance isn't really that huge for a troub, we're already sitting at 45% (or 52 if you have the EoF chest) for Aria, and Precision is 100% anyways.

Fury, Troub(me), conjuror, necro, illusionist, SK

Thats our usual mage group, the SK gets all the fun buffs. If it's a group buff I can get it, but otherwise, the SK needs em more. Apparently.

Symphany

Just to add to the Inquisitor part.

I just realized today that the 5 piece Inquisitor set gives another +100 hitpoints and 10 DPS to Consecrated Aura, to bolster my previous post.