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Old 12-21-2007, 11:05 PM  
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I'm confused....is Affinity Media Holdings a DBA? This is interesting...
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I'm confused....is Affinity Media Holdings a DBA? This is interesting...
In the legal documents they filed with the state of Florida, one company represents that it owns both IGE and Affinity.

That was the same as before Affinity claimed to have sold IGE. I see no difference, but I'd like to be proven wrong and have this explained to me.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:16 AM  
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In the legal documents they filed with the state of Florida, one company represents that it owns both IGE and Affinity.

That was the same as before Affinity claimed to have sold IGE. I see no difference, but I'd like to be proven wrong and have this explained to me.
You might want to look at this page on the web site: IGE is trying to claim that they sold their gold selling business to Yantis but yet they are still continuings to receive royalties as compensation for the sale – including a minimum Royalty payment of $4,000,000 during the first 12 months following the closing. There are PDF's of all documents filed in the case. Apparently Blizzard has joined the lawsuit.

Hot Document Produced By IGE USA, a.k.a. Affinity Media, Federal Court Sets Trial Date for August 2008 at IGE Class Action Consumer Info Site
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Sorta reminds me of the questionable business people who put their financial holdings in a loved ones name so they can't lose it.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:24 PM  
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I've now had a chance to read the purchase and sale document between IGE and Yantis:

Purchase Agreement

This is what I've determined:

1. The individuals who owned both IGE and Affinity Media appear to have sold all of their RMT assets to Yantis and his various companies. So that part is true, and I apologize to ZAM for any challenges I may have made about that fact in the past.

2. The confusing part is that the purchase and sale agreement is really for the RMT assets of IGE, and wasn't a "lock stock and barrel" sale of the entire company and name. This is why the WoW lawsuit has been responded to by a collection of entities (that include Affinity) calling themselves "IGE" still. "IGE US LLC" is still commonly owned by the individuals who own Affinity Media, even though it no longer owns any RMT assets.

3. The agreement is very clear that the sellers retain an absolute option to repurchase all of the RMT assets they sold, PLUS any RMT assets owned by Yantis and his other companies. They can exercise that right anytime they want, and Yantis must give them a right of first refusal before selling those assets.

4. Yantis is required to pay the sellers royalties as a percentage of his earnings from the assets. He is required to pay a minimum royalty, but that isn't capped. So Affinity/IGE US are still deriving a portion of their revenues from RMT, since that is the source of the money being paid to them by Yantis. Rather than collecting this money directly themselves, therefore, the sellers are still collecting it in a manner similar to outsourcing.

Does an absolute right to buy everything back, and a right to a percentage of all future RMT revenues earned, constitute a "sale" of the RMT business? From a business standpoint, yes. From a philosophical view, who knows. But in my business and legal opinion, these assets were transferred in a manner where Affinity/ZAM was able to truthfully say it had sold it's RMT assets to Yantis.

P.S. It appears that all of the computer systems, records, and operations of the Yantis company are in Hong Kong and elsewhere in China. What the IGE defendants (including Affinity and IGE US, Yantis and his IGE Hongkong companies haven't yet been served) are saying is "we don't have any records, we sold the assets that are the subject of this suit, and that sale included all those records, so we don't have anything to produce".

The Chinese companies controlled by Yantis appear to possess and control all the documents being sought in the WoW lawsuit (you will recall they are trying to get lists of names of all players who ever purchased gold from IGE, among other things). I attempted to serve a business entity in China once, and all I have to say is "good luck", I'd be very surprised to see anyone succeed in getting the Yantis companies to produce the documents being sought in the lawsuit or defend themselves in a US court.

Everyone involved in this situation appears to have been extremely smart and had excellent timing, and that's all I have to say.
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Actually the original lawsuit was filed by an indivdual, ANTONIO HERNANDEZ, others joined the suit. I believe Blizzard has joined the class action suit. The investigations by the Floriday Attorney General appear to be a separate action from the Hernandez lawsuit. So in essence there are 2 actions against IGE going on in FLorida.
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Actually the original lawsuit was filed by an indivdual, ANTONIO HERNANDEZ, others joined the suit. I believe Blizzard has joined the class action suit. The investigations by the Floriday Attorney General appear to be a separate action from the Hernandez lawsuit. So in essence there are 2 actions against IGE going on in FLorida.
Aye, my main interest in this was what Affinity Media/IGE actually sold to Yantis, and whether and to what extent Affinity Media still owned RMT assets after saying that they sold IGE.
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OMFG read page 17.. sub title minimum royalties....

ARE YOU SERIOUS.. 4 MILLION DOLLARS?!
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Well...this is great news.

I hope they lose everything with this lawsuit. EVERYTHING!

And yes...I am still a bit irritated over all those spam tells...so in the interest of a personal desire to see them hurt...Please let Antonio Banderez/Blizzard/Florida win these suits.
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Well...this is great news.

I hope they lose everything with this lawsuit. EVERYTHING!

And yes...I am still a bit irritated over all those spam tells...so in the interest of a personal desire to see them hurt...Please let Antonio Banderez/Blizzard/Florida win these suits.
I never saw spam tells from IGE.
you eliminate them and you elminate the competition for the chinesse.
You know? The ones that have been spamming the shit out of you?

Try not to let yourselves be fooled into thinking this is for the good of your games. This is for the good of Uncle Sam's Wallet.

This is what RMT has always been about. They made it against the EULA in eq1 becasue of possible tax issues, not because they viewed it as cheating.
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