U.S. federal debt 1/10 of global wealth? - Page 2

Deson · 04-11-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

It mushrooms whenever there is a president unwilling to skimp on national security. But the liberals are relentless defenders of the entitlement programs in any time period, they don't budge for shit even when the founding intent of the Constitution leans against them.

All Social Security and Medicaid means is that you shove your old folks into nursing homes and whatnot, hoping the government takes care of them. I actually believe it to have hurt the family structure.

I see you didn't get the reference and that you have no idea why the Great Society did what it did with those programs.

Sakua · 04-11-2008, 07:38 PM

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All Social Security and Medicaid means is that you shove your old folks into nursing homes and whatnot, hoping the government takes care of them.

Medicare takes care of old folks, for varying levels of "take care of".

Medicaid is for the poor and disabled folks who can't otherwise get coverage (like for pre-existing conditions) or afford treatment.

Illuminator · 04-11-2008, 07:40 PM

There's nothing new you can tell me about Reagan or the immorality of federal welfare.

Deson · 04-11-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

There's nothing new you can tell me about Reagan or the immorality of federal welfare.

No doubt.

Plagiarist · 04-11-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

Health Care is such an enormous undertaking. Lets just take chronic illness ONLY. Costing $1.7trillion dollars a year and effecting over 130million americans. Up until now the Iraq war has cost around $510 billion dollars. 5 years of war doesnt even cover 1 year of treating chronic illness in the United States.

Universal Healthcare is by god the dumbest fucking idea ever. Especially when people cite how much good Social Security and Medicare have done for this country. Oh yeah thats right incurred enormous amounts of debt while giving subpar results.

Hey, relax a little and consider this: how else are the rich going to get richer if you take away easy opportunities to sell $60,000 "medical" drills to the system? For an example of how suppliers make money look at this one situation reported in England: by using a $60 dollar Bosch, this brain surgeon stole coke-and-hooker money from the mouths of medical supply companies looking to continue to milk the system. What a cheeky bastard!!

It's not so much the old cripples getting barely adequate medical care that uses up so much money, it's more like the insane costs that get attached to items as soon as "medical" is applied to the description. You think that a $1 pill given to a patient is going to be billed to Medicare as $1? By the time the bill hits the government for payment, it's been ballooned by who knows how many layers of "administration", "transport", "permits", "misc fees" and "profit margin mark-ups" (kind of like a $20 thousand dollar NASA hammer) and so on - an industry of people are making boatloads of money off of some poor sick fucker's misery. It's not all bad, it's just good business to see a need in the market and profit from it in every sector of the economy: Profiteering ftw!!

So try not to be so anti-capitalist, everyone's gotta make a buck! If you really want to see some savings, we gotta dump more patients on the streets like that hospital in LA...

Thundaarr · 04-11-2008, 09:29 PM

Aye, and couple that with medicares refusal to ask the drug companies for bulk discounts, or even try to find ways to save money. Canada's health program is not afraid to ask for discounts for bulk orders... because that makes sense. But the suits at the drug companies have obviously lined enough pockets that there will be no talk of that in the U.S.

Deson · 04-11-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundaarr

Aye, and couple that with medicares refusal to ask the drug companies for bulk discounts, or even try to find ways to save money. Canada's health program is not afraid to ask for discounts for bulk orders... because that makes sense. But the suits at the drug companies have obviously lined enough pockets that there will be no talk of that in the U.S.

The problem in the U.S. is that doing such effectively destroys an industry, much as a truly effective universal health care plan would. It essentially forces two separate American goods against each other--commerce and public welfare.

Btw, just to clarify, the refusal isn't from the program itself, it's from politicians.