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Old 06-04-2008, 12:35 PM  
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Nah, Kerry still holds that title.
A lot of politicians switch positions, I get that, but Kerry did have some of the most amusing statements.

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." - John Kerry
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But it's a much bigger one for Obama. McCain has a 30+ year public history to fall back on and if Huffpost thinks telling people how much John hates Bush actually hurts him well LoL. Obama on the other hand is built on the premise of his 2004 convention speech. The proper focus on that considering everything we now know about his church and other associations could completely undermine that and leave the public image with what he really is, a mediocre politician who happens to be damn good at giving speeches. Obama himself has given the right so much real ammo that it's truly painful listening to yet another tired rant about "Barrack Hussein Osama" being a muslim sleeper.

Edit: He's wearing it because it was a gift from a vet. Whether it was staged or not is up for debate but can't knock him on that. Also, the quote omits him calling it a substitute for patriotism.
Republicans seem to be quick to dismiss the fact that Obama just won the Democratic nomination against a political giant who had the backing of the party elite, and IMO just don't have a grip on reality.

If you think John McCain is going to fare any better based on the fact that Obama doesn't have a record, and McCain is more savvy, you're fucking delusional. Obama's got game.

It's going to take more than a flagpin or some obscure association this time around, folks. Sorry.
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Republicans seem to be quick to dismiss the fact that Obama just won the Democratic nomination against a political giant who had the backing of the party elite, and IMO just don't have a grip on reality.

If you think John McCain is going to fare any better based on the fact that Obama doesn't have a record, and McCain is more savvy, you're fucking delusional. Obama's got game.

It's going to take more than a flagpin or some obscure association this time around, folks. Sorry.
What party elite backed Hillary? I don't recall anyone the likes of Kerry, Edwards, or Kennedy backing Hillary. Well they backed the bus up on her.

The Ayers association isn't obscure. It's not like they brushed elbows at the local grocery store.
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I can't beleive people are using accessories as a criterion for who they will vote for president.

I always feared what would happen to this country when the MTV generation started voting in force.
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Yes but Otis must downplay it because it wasn't a GOP...
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What party elite backed Hillary? I don't recall anyone the likes of Kerry, Edwards, or Kennedy backing Hillary. Well they backed the bus up on her.

The Ayers association isn't obscure. It's not like they brushed elbows at the local grocery store.
If you don't think this year was supposed to be "Hillary's turn", then you've only just started paying attention when this season started.

The Ayers association is meaningless. He know's him. Ayer's is connected in Chicago. Big fucking deal.
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The Ayers association is meaningless. He know's him. Ayer's is connected in Chicago. Big fucking deal.
Joe Buck quit announcing for the Cardinals. Since I live in St. Louis it means I hate baseball and thus dont wear a flag lapel b/c I hate america.

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The associations aren't trivial when they cut to the heart of who the man presents himself as. It's next to impossible to have been a member of Wright's congregation and still say there is not a black and white America. There is a huge difference between living in the same town and claiming said offender to be a spiritual mentor.

And Otis, where did I ever say the Repubs and Co. were being savvy? So far they've run a campaign even worse than Hillary's this year and that's saying something.
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If you don't think this year was supposed to be "Hillary's turn", then you've only just started paying attention when this season started.

The Ayers association is meaningless. He know's him. Ayer's is connected in Chicago. Big fucking deal.
I did think it was her nomination, but she got steamrolled by her own party.

The Ayers connection is no big deal? If that's the case then there can never be another political scandal.



Bill Ayers...

7 October 1969 – Bombing of Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago, apparently as a “kickoff” for the “Days of Rage” riots in the city October 8–11, 1969. The Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, “Prairie Fire.”


8 October-11, 1969 – The “Days of Rage” riots occur in Chicago in which 287 Weatherman members from throughout the country were arrested and a large amount of property damage was done.


6 December 1969 – Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO stated in their book “Prairie Fire” that they had did the explosion.


27 December-31, 1969 – Weathermen hold a “War Council” meeting in Flint, MI, where they finalize their plans to submerge into an underground status from which they plan to commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the “Weather Underground Organization” (WUO).


13 February 1970 – Bombing of several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department .


16 February 1970 – Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.


6 March 1970 – Bombing in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.


6 March 1970 – “bomb factory” located in New York’s Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. WUO members Theodore die in t. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer’s dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION.


30 March 1970 – Chicago Police discover a WUO “bomb factory” on Chicago’s north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO “weapons cache” in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.


10 May 1970 – Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C..


21 May 1970 – The WUO under Bernardine Dohrn’s name releases its “Declaration of a State of War” communique.


6 June 1970 – The WUO sends a letter claiming credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had apparently been dormant for some time.


9 June 1970 – Bombing of The New York City Police Headquarters .


27 July 1970 – Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco. [NYT, 7/27/70]


12 September 1970 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary, break out and escape from the California Men’s Colony prison.


8 October 1970 – Bombing of Marin County courthouse. [NYT, 8/10/70]


10 October 1970 – Bombing of Queens traffic-court building . [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]


14 October 1970 – Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]


1 March 1971 – Bombing of The United States Capitol . ” [NYT, 3/2/71]


April, 1971 – abandoned WUO “bomb factory” discovered in San Francisco, California.


29 August, 1971 – Bombing of the Office of California Prisons . [LAT, 8/29/71]


17 September 1971 – Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT, 9/18/71]


15 October 1971 – Bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]


19 May 1972 – Bombing of The Pentagon . [NYT, 5/19/72]


18 May 1973 – Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York


28 September 1973 – Bombing of ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy . [NYT, 9/28/73]


6 March 1974 – Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco


31 May 1974 – Bombing of The Office of the California Attorney General.


17 June 1974 – Bombing of Gulf Oil’s Pittsburgh headquarters .


11 September 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).


29 January 1975 – Bombing of the State Department in (AP. “State Department Rattled by Blast,” The Daily Times-News, January 29 1975, p.1)


16 June 1975 – Bombing of Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York .


September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation .


October 20, 1981 – Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.


1981 “Guilty as hel*. Free as a bird. America is a great country,” Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.


September 11, 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers is quoted in NYT article



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I get it, Ayers is the devil. Obama knows him.

You give a fuck, I couldn't give less than one.
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