damocles

Bread and circuses? Look where that got the Roman Empire.

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AdaM pErSOn

Dankshasta comes to mind everytime I hear cleveland. So the press has perfectly good reasons to hate ohio

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Senelin

Biggest and best in the world for a long time, I think that's about the best we can ask for at this point, no?

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Faabio

Try the greatest empire of many years! Who cares if their collapse brought upon the Middle Ages, bitches had spinnahs.

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Illuminator

It brought on the Dark Ages actually.

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Deson

So you can do it again of course. What's the point of dishing a brutal ass whipping if you can't watch the suffering anyway? Just because they didn't let him live doesn't we should kill them and deprive ourselves of their suffering.

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Faabio

Same thing retard. Dark Ages is an awful term for something you don't understand.

The Middle Ages brought urbanization to northern and western Europe! They brought forth wonderful works of art to the world! Many of the current European nations owe their origins to the Middle Ages!

Nay my friend, nothing was dark about the Middle Ages...well except maybe the plague, but with death comes rebirth!

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damocles

That was the Rennaisance actually. Things were pretty good until the Dark Age when everything regressed. Between the fall of the Roman Empire and the rennaisance life was pretty brutal. Just ask Otis, he lived though it.

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Faabio

Uhh no, what are you talking about, of course there was art during the Renaissance but there was tons of art during the middle ages, most notably the Byzantine art and Gothic architect.

Things were pretty good until the Dark age...for the Romans, with the fall of that certain civilization people migrated to more places in Europe.

If it wasn't for the Middle Ages your precious "Rebirth" never would of happened.

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damocles

I didn't say there was no art. However most of Europe became a shithole during the Dark Age. Most of the advances in science; medicine, mathematics and engineering (just to name a few areas), that had been made before the fall of the Empire were lost in Europe.

As for people moving into new areas in Europe after the Empire; Europe was already pretty well populated. It's hard to have an empire without people living there. During the Dark Age the population fell sharply because there was no longer an infrastructure to support the same number of people.

Without that infrastructure trade all but ceased, along with the flow of ideas and information. Famine, disease, ignorance and barbarism became the norm as people became isolated in smaller and smaller groups. They had a hard time just obtaining food, clothing and shelter. Things like art and science take a backseat when you're struggling to survive.

The short version is: after the fall, in most of Europe for most of the population, life sucked.

It wasn't until the rennaisance that Western culture really started to regain what was lost. So, yes. You are correct. Without the Dark Ages the Rennaisance wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't have been necessary, and we would most likely have reached our current level of knowledge and technology several hundred years ago.

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