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07-03-2008, 11:21 AM
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McFlip / McFlop
I must say, John McCain's amassed quite a record:
Signing of the GI Bill: Now enthusiastically for it, even claims credit for it along with President Bush... after it passed. Previously attacked the Webb Bill. Didn't even bother to vote on it.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/43326-...on-the-gi-bill
Campaign reform: On political reform, McCain last January opposed a grassroots lobbying bill he once supported. In 2006, the "New York Sun" reported that his presidential ambitions led McCain to reverse his support of a campaign financial bill called McCain/Feingold.
http://www.nysun.com/national/campai...-mccain/36949/
Alien Minors Act/Immigration: Last October he said he would vote against the development, relief and education for Alien Miners Act that he co-sponsored, and then said he would vote against an immigration bill that he introduced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeJr...eature=related
Gay Marriage: In 2006, he said on "HARDBALL," quote, I think that gay marriage should be allowed. Then after the commercial break he added, I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeBw28tX5Nw
Abortion: On abortion, 1999, publicly supporting Roe v. Wade, privately opposing it in a letter to the National Right to Life Committee. In the 2000 debates, he would change the GOP platform to permit exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother. May 2007, "flipped", ABCNews.com reported.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2...ory?id=4824779
Nuclear Waste: No Storing Nuclear waste at Yucca mountain earlier..now flipped
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...ut-face-yucca/
Negotiating with Kim Jong-Il: Negotiating with Kim Jong-Il not acceptable until President Bush did it last week.
Negotiating with Cuba/Castro: With Fidel Castro acceptable in 2000, not 2008.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=34637546
Negotiating with Hamas/Terrorists: ...with terrorists appropriate when Colin Powell went to Syria and in 2006 when McCain said sooner or later we‘ll talk to Hamas, but not appropriate now re: Obama's willingness to use diplomacy.
Pakistan: Unilateral action against suspected terrorists in Pakistan; "Confused leadership" when Obama suggested it, not when Bush did it.
Warrantless Wire-taps: Six months ago, presidents had to obey the law, not anymore.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/us...in&oref=slogin
Torture: Torture detainees, no way, except for the CIA. Hold them indefinitely, wrong in 2003, the right move in 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJXvWNoRwM
Iraq War: The Iraq war, the right course 2004, stay the course 2005. Today, McCain has always been a Rumsfeld critic.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/04/mccain-iraq-easy/
Tax Cuts: In 2001, he could not in good conscious support them. Now he can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw
Estate Tax: 2006, "I agree with President Roosevelt who created it". In 2008, "most unfair".
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...tax-after-all/
Privatizing Social Security: This month not for privatizing Social Security, never has been. In 2004, he "didn‘t see how benefits will last without it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyBwMy27Aoc
Balanced Budget: In February, promised a balanced budget in four years by April, make that eight years.
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001101.htm
Windfall Profits Tax: In May, glad to look at the windfall profits tax. By June, that was Jimmy Carter's big idea.
http://flipfloptracker.blogspot.com/...ofits-tax.html
Offshore Drilling: In 2000, no new off shore drilling. Last month, it would take years to develop. This month, very helpful in the short term.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/...ng-moratorium/
Coyotes..Bush Big Time Fund Raisers: The Bush fund-raisers McCain called coyotes breaking the law in 2000. By 2006, they were
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1880630&page=1
"Agents of Intolerance": Buddy Jerry Falwell...an "agent of intolerance in 2000". Kissed Falwell's ass in 2007... The Reverend Hagee and Parsley in, then out this year alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbrejLsixwk
Martin Luther King Holiday: In 1983, opposed Martin Luther King Day. Today, all for it.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._admits_e.html
Confederate Flag: In 2000, defended South Carolina's confederate flag as a symbol of heritage. Two years later, McCain calling it, quote, an act of political cowardice not to say the flag should come down. Quote, "everybody said, look out. You can't win in South Carolina if you say that."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8EMmML-es
Evolution in Public Schools: In 2005, McCain said alternatives to evolution should be taught in school. "Evolving" the opposite position he had taken in 2000.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/
Restoring the Everglades: On June 5, John McCain traveled to the Everglades to win over Floridians and environmentally-minded voters. There he proclaimed, "I am in favor of doing whatever’s necessary to save the Everglades." Sadly, as ThinkProgress documented, McCain not only opposed $2 billion in funding for the restoration of the Everglades national park, he backed President Bush’s veto of the legislation in 2007. "I believe," he said, "that we should be passing a bill that will authorize legitimate, needed projects without sacrificing fiscal responsibility."
Swiftboating: McCain's sudden embrace of Swiftboating --- which today is synonymous with a concerted effort to lie about an opponent's history --- is all the more deplorable because he has hired retired Col. George "Bud" Day, a proud member of the group that Swiftboated Kerry --- and someone McCain once described as having "tunnel vision" --- to lead what McCain is calling his "Truth Squad."
http://www.kerryvision.net/2008/07/s...or_mcbush.html
GITMO/Habeus Corpus:Despite John McCain's outrage last week that the Supreme Court ordered Gitmo detainees know why they were being held, or released -- Political Base has stumbled upon a McCain appearance on Meet the Press in 2005 where he argued they deserved trials, going so far as to say "if it means releasing some of them, you'll have to release them." Shameless.
http://www.politicalbase.com/profile...g/&blogId=2598
Divestment from South Africa: During his June 2 speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), John McCain called for the international community to target Iran for the kind of worldwide sanctions regime applied to apartheid-era South Africa. Unfortunately, McCain’s lobbyist-advisers Charlie Black and Rick Davis each represented firms doing business with Tehran. Even more unfortunate, John McCain was frequently not among those offering "moral clarity and conviction" in backing "a divestment campaign against South Africa, helping to rid that nation of the evil of apartheid."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/mccain-divestment/
Opposing Hurricane Katrina Investigations: During a June 4th town hall meeting in Baton Rouge, John McCain answered a reporter’s question regarding Hurricane Katrina and the failure of the New Orleans levees by announcing:
"I’ve supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy. I’ve been here to New Orleans. I’ve met with people on the ground."
As it turns out, not so much. McCain’s revisionist history neglects to mention that in 2005 and 2006 he twice voted against a commission to study the government’s response to Katrina. He also opposed three separate emergency funding measures providing relief to Katrina victims, including the extension of five months of Medicaid benefits. And as ThinkProgress pointed out, "until traveling there one month ago, McCain had made just one public tour of New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina touched down in August 2005."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/mccain-katrina/
McCain On His Economic Abilities: "I have not. I have not. Actually, I have not." "I said that I am stronger on national security issues because of all the time I spent in the military and others. I am very strong on the economy. I understand it. I have a lot more experience than my opponent."
-- Sen. John McCain, in an interview on ABC News, when asked why he "admitted that you're not exactly an expert when it comes to the economy."
However, NBC News compiles past McCain quotes in which he said "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should" or "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...2/1179920.aspx
Temperment and Temper: "My temper has often been both a matter of public speculation and personal concern," he wrote in a 2002 memoir. "I have a temper, to state the obvious, which I have tried to control with varying degrees of success because it does not always serve my interest or the public's." Not true and not under control, according to many of those on the wrong side of McCain's famous temper.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041902224.html
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07-03-2008, 12:18 PM
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I drink for the government
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
I'd think that McCain's total lack of a soul would be reason enough to avoid voting him into office.
The fact that he flip-flops is just a part of his political nature.
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07-03-2008, 12:33 PM
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Fucking SICK of spell resists
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
I would like to add, Obama has quite a record too:
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07-03-2008, 12:43 PM
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
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Originally Posted by Illuminator
I would like to add, Obama has quite a record too:
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Woaaawa on the links there, Lumi! I've got enough to read from the OP.
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07-03-2008, 12:48 PM
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
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Originally Posted by Illuminator
I would like to add, Obama has quite a record too:
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Haha.
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07-03-2008, 02:24 PM
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
I hate both McCain and Obama. Right now it's just a question of which one I hate less. They are both establishment politicians and very little will change regardless of who takes office.
Right now the Democrats control congress and I don't see us getting out of the clusterfuck that is Iraq. Nothing much has changed really. There's really no difference between Democrats and Republicans anymore.
At one time Republicans were supposed to be the party of small government and lower taxes. The Democrats were supposed to be the party for social progress and domestic policy. Basically both parties suck Big Businesses cocks all day long.
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07-03-2008, 02:31 PM
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God Damn, The Pusherman
Character: Otis
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
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Originally Posted by Steveaux
Right now the Democrats control congress and I don't see us getting out of the clusterfuck that is Iraq. Nothing much has changed really.
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Control of the Armed Forces is not a congressional power.
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07-03-2008, 02:35 PM
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
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Originally Posted by Oisin
Woaaawa on the links there, Lumi! I've got enough to read from the OP.
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I assume that's a joke but his sig does actually have a link with a host of them. If you ignore the obvious bigoted shots, there is some very good info in that link.
Oh, thanks Otis! I knew you wouldn't let me down.
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I need to stop visiting this site, but I need my seasonal dose of spectating trainwrecks.
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07-03-2008, 02:46 PM
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God Damn, The Pusherman
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
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Originally Posted by Deson
Oh, thanks Otis! I knew you wouldn't let me down.
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What? I haven't even mentioned "you-know-who".
What's wrong with a factual post about the Honorable Senator from AZ?

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07-03-2008, 02:50 PM
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Re: McFlip / McFlop
So... if Congress can declare war, can it also un-declare it?
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Don't vote for Obama.
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