Yes We Can - Page 2

Deson · 07-05-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

So you don't like Obama because his supporters annoy you.

Its funny, the harder I hear people rail against Obama, the less sense they actually make.

Now you know how people who don't support him feel when they see what I described.

Supporting Obama also seems to damage reading comprehension because I thought I made it clear I never liked him just that his supporters have turned that from mere dislike to disgust as he does nothing serious to tamp it down. Of course, legions of sycophants voting for you as their messiah has its advantages.

Weslen · 07-05-2008, 07:51 PM

The politicians all suck. I'm going to be voting for the one that had the ability to come from a pow camp and not be batshit insane. Backing faith based programs with taxpayer money 4tl as well. Screw Obama.

Deson · 07-05-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Weslen

The politicians all suck. I'm going to be voting for the one that had the ability to come from a pow camp and not be batshit insane. Backing faith based programs with taxpayer money 4tl as well. Screw Obama.

You can seriously look at the way McCain flops and makes denials and not at least suspect he lost a little something? He's still my candidate but something in his head is overwrought. As for Obama, don't knock the program. Had Bush seriously given a shit about it it could have been something great. The only major issue with it is it will be a legal nightmare to have oversight of but the idea has merit. Of course, having the hiring practices be done according to federal law may make the proposal moot.

Tyirul · 07-05-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

So you don't like Obama because his supporters annoy you.

Its funny, the harder I hear people rail against Obama, the less sense they actually make.

Can you deny he lacks experience?
Can you deny that he's sometimes childish, lacking of maturity?

Those two are a horribile combination in my eyes.

Regardless, I am not in McCain's corner either. Personally, either way i'm getting shitted on. So i'll let the people decide who's going to shit on us all.

Deson · 07-05-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyirul

Can you deny he lacks experience?
Can you deny that he's sometimes childish, lacking of maturity?

Those two are a horribile combination in my eyes.

Regardless, I am not in McCain's corner either. Personally, either way i'm getting shitted on. So i'll let the people decide who's going to shit on us all.

Aren't you the people? Why let the fanatics and nuts makes all the decisions?

Tyirul · 07-05-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deson

Aren't you the people? Why let the fanatics and nuts makes all the decisions?

Because as i've stated, either way we're fucked. At least if I choose the road of apathy I can laugh equally at either party.

Deson · 07-05-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyirul

Because as i've stated, either way we're fucked. At least if I choose the road of apathy I can laugh equally at either party.

No you can't because you aren't allowed that with apathy. Apathy implies you didn't give a shit at all when the truth is you just don't like your choices. What you want is more akin to informed disinterest; you know the score but have decided not to share in the guilt of picking the winner of two evils.

It is the right of the citizenry not to vote however, it is a form of intellectual dishonesty to proclaim you are letting the people choose for you when you are in fact, the people. While not voting can be an excellent way to protest crap choices, it should be done with the understanding that the worse of two evils has a better shot of winning because of such. As you seem informed this obviously isn't you but there are many who make such claims and haven't analyzed anything at all, using apathy as an excuse to hide and ridicule those bold enough to make a choice.

In this election you have a clear choice between two evils. McCain, the man who's twisted himself into a pretzel and finds himself in the ironic position of having the right dislike him because of his history and despite his rhetoric and, having the moderate/left hate him because of his rhetoric and despite his history. On the other side you have Obamessiah who sounds eerily like Bush in 2000 and is even less experienced. Like Bush in 2000, Obama will have his party in control of congress and they have a whole list of plans they intend to push out the door for good or ill. McCain has a long history of not being an ideologue, working with "enemies" and had, during 2006( when it was clear Obama was running), more dems supporting him than supported Obama. Obama has pretty speeches and the ability to say something without meaning or doing anything. If anyone is shaping up to be Bush's 3rd term, it's Obama not McCain. Just compare Obama's campaign with Bush's and notice just how much they say essentially the same thing.

Tyirul · 07-05-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deson

No you can't because you aren't allowed that with apathy. Apathy implies you didn't give a shit at all when the truth is you just don't like your choices. What you want is more akin to informed disinterest; you know the score but have decided not to share in the guilt of picking the winner of two evils.

It is the right of the citizenry not to vote however, it is a form of intellectual dishonesty to proclaim you are letting the people choose for you when you are in fact, the people. While not voting can be an excellent way to protest crap choices, it should be done with the understanding that the worse of two evils has a better shot of winning because of such. As you seem informed this obviously isn't you but there are many who make such claims and haven't analyzed anything at all, using apathy as an excuse to hide and ridicule those bold enough to make a choice.

In this election you have a clear choice between two evils. McCain, the man who's twisted himself into a pretzel and finds himself in the ironic position of having the right dislike him because of his history and despite his rhetoric and, having the moderate/left hate him because of his rhetoric and despite his history. On the other side you have Obamessiah who sounds eerily like Bush in 2000 and is even less experienced. Like Bush in 2000, Obama will have his party in control of congress and they have a whole list of plans they intend to push out the door for good or ill. McCain has a long history of not being an ideologue, working with "enemies" and had, during 2006( when it was clear Obama was running), more dems supporting him than supported Obama. Obama has pretty speeches and the ability to say something without meaning or doing anything. If anyone is shaping up to be Bush's 3rd term, it's Obama not McCain. Just compare Obama's campaign with Bush's and notice just how much they say essentially the same thing.

What I mean by Apathy is I really don't care either way. I've realizied that indeed there are two evils on stage, and by not trying to pick the lesser of them i've resorted to the path of nothing. Shit's always going to flow down hill, and there ain't a damn thing I can do.

I was pro-Obama until I actually watched him and seen him evolve as a presidental runner. I would've voted for him had I not seen the debacle between Hillary and Obama. His nature alone puts me off.

Hexus · 07-06-2008, 10:48 AM

Just remember kids, no matter which one you vote for, you're going to bitch about them in 3.5 years anyways!

The problem is, they're BOTH politicians...

-Hexus-

Krontak · 07-06-2008, 11:38 AM

So Deson, you like the video I posted in the OP?