Yes We Can - Page 3

Deson · 07-06-2008, 11:43 AM

Artistically it has merit so on that level yes. As far as content, it's more cultish BS that surrounds a man who doesn't deserve it so overall no.

Krontak · 07-06-2008, 12:09 PM

I understand. Having such a horrible candidate, such as yourself, I too would find it impossible to understand the connection Obama has had with his base.

Deson · 07-06-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Krontak

I understand. Having such a horrible candidate, such as yourself, I too would find it impossible to understand the connection Obama has had with his base.

Case in point. Thank you.

Otis · 07-06-2008, 12:35 PM

We mock what we don't understand.

Brave.

Deson · 07-06-2008, 12:55 PM

Braver than Obama has ever been. In any case there is no misunderstanding as I've seen it before and it's not the first time it's happened in American politics, let alone the world. The most substantial difference in recent history between Obama and those previous figures is that they all had records of courage under fire and didn't steal just about everything they were praised for.

How exactly do you feel connected to a man you've never met, never personally spoken to behind closed doors and has no serious record to give you an impression of who he is? His lines are an amalgam of quotes from Deval Patrick, Martin Luther King, JFK and Bill Clinton. His speech cadence is directly borrowed from a black community he did not grow up with so is not natural. His proposals are faux compromise bastardizations of (though over time increasingly similar to) those of his democratic rivals that he faced in the primaries and who all made those proposals before him. His profiles of political courage outside of his initial opposition of Iraq ( I'll give him that for the sake of argument) are non- existent. He has never stood on principled ground on anything and besides being hand picked because of his star power to run the Dem ethics reform after the 2006 victory ( a proposal that had many elements McCain had already been fighting for), he has nothing to claim real credit for. You know as much about this man as you do any other celeb you've never met yet get pissy when people don't want to be spammed with "Barack is the Messiah" everywhere they go.

A man tells you what he wants you to hear and even when his thin record tells you he's exaggerating if not outright lying, you get pissy with people who call him on his bullshit. He's a new kind of politics that so far this campaign has practiced none of it. People who live on principle die on it and he hasn't shown one bit of any such willingness. In the end he's just a politician, albeit it a talented one; stop praising him as though he were the second coming.

Otis · 07-06-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Deson

Braver than Obama has ever been. In any case there is no misunderstanding as I've seen it before and it's not the first time it's happened in American politics, let alone the world. The most substantial difference in recent history between Obama and those previous figures is that they all had records of courage under fire and didn't steal just about everything they were praised for.

How exactly do you feel connected to a man you've never met, never personally spoken to behind closed doors and has no serious record to give you an impression of who he is? His lines are an amalgam of quotes from Deval Patrick, Martin Luther King, JFK and Bill Clinton. His speech cadence is directly borrowed from a black community he did not grow up with so is not natural. His proposals are faux compromise bastardizations of (though over time increasingly similar to) those of his democratic rivals that he faced in the primaries and who all made those proposals before him. His profiles of political courage outside of his initial opposition of Iraq ( I'll give him that for the sake of argument) are non- existent. He has never stood on principled ground on anything and besides being hand picked because of his star power to run the Dem ethics reform after the 2006 victory ( a proposal that had many elements McCain had already been fighting for), he has nothing to claim real credit for. You know as much about this man as you do any other celeb you've never met yet get pissy when people don't want to be spammed with "Barack is the Messiah" everywhere they go.

A man tells you what he wants you to hear and even when his thin record tells you he's exaggerating if not outright lying, you get pissy with people who call him on his bullshit. He's a new kind of politics that so far this campaign has practiced none of it. People who live on principle die on it and he hasn't shown one bit of any such willingness. In the end he's just a politician, albeit it a talented one; stop praising him as though he were the second coming.

Translation: I don't understand, therefore you are stupid.

Seriously, listen to yourself.

I get the fact that you don't get it. Its ok, just let it go man.

Deson · 07-06-2008, 01:11 PM

As good a response as I'll ever expect from a cultist. New politics eh? Reads like the same old bullshit from both him and his supporters here. Really looking forward to 4 years of this bullshit.

Otis · 07-06-2008, 01:23 PM

Yes, that's it. Its a cult.

And you're tired of my bullshit? Eat a dick.

Feefai · 07-06-2008, 01:58 PM

Neither one of them is as bad as bush. Its all gravy imo

Skaer · 07-06-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

Yes, that's it. Its a cult.

And you're tired of my bullshit? Eat a dick.

He's trying to say, that most Obama supporters are uneducated voters. To define uneducated in this context would be to say: they aren't fully aware of the choices on the table, let alone the candidate they're supporting.

Since all of your replies merely state that he doesn't understand Obama or how he is connected with his supporters, rather than debating the political merit of what he has said you're just proving his point.

From reading this entire thread, I fully believe that Deson is educated in what he's trying to say and everything he has said is, for the most part, true. Every Obama supporter here, has merely brought up the point that he has connected with his voters.

Albeit, to be true in my statements, I am not educated on the individuals running for president. That is, because I choose not to do so. However, I entirely agree with Deson's statement. Obama is the hype candidate, and I fully believe that a MAJORITY of his supporters do not understand nearly what they should about their candidate.

That's true of every election, I suppose.