Deson

Thanks Skaer. Also to add, those that do have a clue for the most part are projecting qualities and views on him in such a way that he is everyone's empty vessel. He's said that himself but note that while it was to his advantage, he did little to check that emotion. Part of the reason that he is getting bad press is because without the Bitch as everyones favorite foil, those that are semi-intelligent are realzing he's not what they led themselves to believe.

I can take no man at face value when I need a job done. You can feed me all the bullshit you want but in the end it is your works that matter, not your faith, not your words. Obama so far is all talk and even his supporters don't seem to know what he's saying ( see reactions to: Iraq, NAFTA, Faith-Based initiatives, Abortion rights; confusion on: Affirmative action, education policy). When he takes a stand that's not politically safe or necessary, then I may give those words weight but until then, he's just another politician with nothing in his Senate resume to back up his claims of bi-partisanship and being a uniter, not a divider. Show me his New Politics beyond pretty speeches. Show me where he's been about more than just sound bites as he claims. Remember as he decries the soundbite culture, he calls McCain Bush's 3rd term and calls all who attack him, legit or not, old politics. He's excellent at making questions seem irrelevant before they are even asked. Don't beleive the hype, believe the actions because actions are what's going to be done for 4 years.

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Presidential terms are 4 years, you get a second term if the country feels it needs you for a second term. If not, it doesn't make you half a president.

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Krontak

McCain is Bush's third term in regards to the issues that matter.

Iraq;SAME (100 year occupation is just fine).

Economy;SAME (convincing the working class voters tax cuts on the rich will benefit them, rather than giving middle class and seniors tax cuts as Obama wants to do).

Stubbornness;SAME (didn't even show up for the damn veterans GI Bill upgrade and fought it tooth and nail and stood beside Bush in his stance to veto it just to continue his partisan way of life. Even with a 75% BI-PARTISAN majority vote).

Drilling for Oil;SAME

The list goes on and on and the voters will know after October, McCain is Bush's third term.

McCain is stuck in his old politics ways. He's too stupid and stubborn to see a good thing if it hit him in the head.

After McCain looses this election, he will loose his next election in Arizona. FFS Obama is competing in McCains OWN state. What the heck does that tell you? It tells you first off, the only reason McCain has kept his seat out there is because he had massive funding from his wife to drown out the opposition. This next election, it won't work because of the Governors voice and popularity. Secondly, people from Arizona are being mobilized and tired of the status quo and the direction this nation is headed.

Deson, just to let you know I'm not alone in this belief Obama has the right message when it comes to the economy, health care, Iraq, energy, religion, etc, I'll tell you my experience this past 4th of July.

I went on a voter registration drive, first shift that day, with about 50 other individuals from my neighborhood to get voters registered and document their sentiment since VA doesn't require voters to register (D) or (R). The group of 4 I was with was able to communicate with 85 voters not accounted for yet in about 2 hrs or so. I'm not kidding with this figure but 2 of them were supporters of McCain and 2 were undecided, the rest were strong Obama supporters....yeah.

Anyways, I wish you the best of luck this November.

Obama '08

Krontak

Exit polls show Obama got the majority of the highly educated populous just fyi. Maybe the ones with the high educations can't read his Blueprint for Change? Maybe that's why they don't know where he stands on issues.

For the records, here is why I support him.

1) He's got great leadership qualities that are proven to motivate and mobilize people. Reagan, with little or no experience, was often known as the great communicator. Reagan motivated people through his commanding communications skills. I feel strongly, Obama's ability to get things done through his superior communications and organizational skills will carry into his presidency.

2) He is going to take charge of Iraq and put forth a mission shared by the majority of the U.S. He is willing to entertain the idea of setting a mission of removing the majority of combat troops.

3) Health care for individuals under 25 years of age.

4) Tax cuts for the middle class and elders.

5) Transparency of government through the Internet ranging from contract awarding to earmarks available to the public, prior to the vote.

6) Open a dialog with countries such as Iran, etc. rather than playing tough guy and not having constructive talks. While our government sits around and worries about a laundry list of preconditions not being met, Iran continues on with its Nuclear ambitions. Where exactly are meeting ALL preconditions getting us now?

7) Invest heavily in childhood education. Today's well educated will equate to a better tomorrow for all of us. 4k tax credit for college tuition.

8) Give tax credits to companies that keep a majority of their workforce in the U.S. and remove the tax breaks for companies that ship all their jobs to other countries.

9) Don't mess with Social Security as McCain wants to. McCain is offering the Bush solution and privatize it. If the market crashes, so will their privatized social security. Then what?

10) Belief in God and not afraid to show it. Its about time Democrats didn't back away and spread their belief in God and strong family values.

That's just 10 of the reasons why I support him and believe he is the best possible candidate to lead this nation to a better tomorrow.

Obama '08

Otis

If I'd done nothing to date but post in the vacuum of this thread, then I might be inclined to agree with you.

However, I've been partaking in lengthy political debates here since the beginning. There's more than enough material available via the search function if one absolutely needs to know anything about why I support who I do. I see no need to restate these views everytime some happy dick comes along who feels they want to jump into the debate with both feet.

Look it up, if you really want to know. But don't be lazy and cop out by saying I drank any Kool-Aid or that I'm "in a cult".

And if you really want to look for someone to blame for Obama-mania, a good place to start just might be all the idiotic, inbred toothless redneck cocksuckers who fucked this country over royally by yelling "yee-haw" while pulling the lever for Bush in '04.

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Obama ftw, I wanna see if they still call it the white house, lawl.

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Reagan just so happened to be governor of California. Major fucking difference.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Are you pulling that line from some campaign commercial I overlooked?

This isn't something Obama gives us, this is something we go into perpetual debt for. Even military spending commitments are capped by the Constitution at 2 years in advance.

You probably also believed the congressional Democrats when they promised sweeping new transparency this past election.

You don't understand Iran then. Never have, never will. Iranian/Persian regional ambition dates back millenia.

Look at the current federal "education" budget and look what we have to show for it (Wiki: "For 2006, the ED discretionary budget was US$56 billion and the mandatory budget contained $13.4 billion."). This isn't lack of funds, this is sheer incompetence. What next, federalize teachers too?

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Krontak

The sentiments I hold are shared by a majority of Americans. Its apparent you and I differ on just about every issue.

Its also apparent you hold little faith in elected Government officials. I too would feel rejected if many of my party officials went against their conservative values and expanded government in ways not seen since the 70's, ie. Department of Homeland Security and act as though they are not to be held accountable for being fiscally irresponsible and driving our deficit to almost insurmountable numbers.

Anyways, you and Deson kept on spouting off like the sheep you are that Obama supporters don't know where he stands on issues and are voting due to inspiration only.

I've made the issues I feel are important known.

So, why are you knuckleheads voting for McCain? Can you tell me why without using wikipidia and also without using Obama's name?

Otis

Interesting question:

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