Very good, Otis. Perhaps with this hard-won knowledge you can someday explain to your kids the same concept of "voting for the lesser evil". Or by the looks of it, they may have to teach you instead.
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The sentiments I hold are shared by a majority of Americans.
Americans don't want Big Government to do all of their bidding. That is Obama's sentiment and perhaps yours too, but not theirs. They just aren't completely sure that McCain will leave us with the smaller government of the two, and neither am I.
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and act as though they are not to be held accountable for being fiscally irresponsible and driving our deficit to almost insurmountable numbers.
The bright side is that everyone shares the blame.
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Anyways, you and Deson kept on spouting off like the sheep you are that Obama supporters don't know where he stands on issues and are voting due to inspiration only.
But we're saying that you are the sheep. And talk like a campaign spokesman, someone you wouldn't trust with mowing the lawn.
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So, why are you knuckleheads voting for McCain? Can you tell me why without using wikipidia and also without using Obama's name?
Ah, you mean by becoming totally ignorant of facts and "searching within" the way Tom Cruise might?
Very good, Otis. Perhaps with this hard-won knowledge you can someday explain to your kids the same concept of "voting for the lesser evil". Or by the looks of it, they may have to teach you instead.
Says the guy who votes for the greater of two evils. Great, any more astounding insights, mensa-boy?
"If the public is not aware that Al Qaeda is cropping up in North Africa and Afghanistan and other locations, then McCain's message might be accepted," says Gordon Smith, a political scientist at the University of South Carolina in Columbia. "For those members of the public who are well informed, to hear him argue as if Al Qaeda exists primarily in Iraq might lead to questions of, 'What's he thinking? Where's he getting his information from?' "
The most important part of that report is what has been accomplished is IRREVERSABLE.
I'd like to think once Obama visits Iraq, and "refines" his policy, we'll be looking at a 12 month draw down of U.S. forces vs. his current 16 month plan.
Iraqis want their county back and we should be more than happy to give it to them. It is our opportunity NOW to gracefully bow out and let them take charge. They are willing and ready it seems like. This won't be "waving the white flag of surrender" as the neo cons like to paint it as.
So Otis this new cult you are part of....what celebrity can we get to endorse your church?
Otis is not a cultist, I've said as much before precisely because of those lengthy political discussions he mentioned. However, he sure as fuck displays the traits of one on these forums when it comes to Obama vs anyone. Of course, that's not hard when the competition is today's Republican party.
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I'm spouting more cultist crap because I believe!
I'm still asking, what has your guy done? Prophets gave signs and even Jesus had to rise from the dead, what has your guy done, beyond words, to earn your faith ?
This guy was Obama's the whole time he was preaching his "No Black.. No White... there is only America!" Bullshit
I've nothing against Wright but it cuts deep into Obama's image.
McCain championed comprehensive Immigration Reform, Ethics Reform (before it became popular), Spending Reform, intervention in Bosnia when his party was against it(mostly because Bill was for it), pulling out from Somalia because of the lack of mission clarity/purpose and before he morphed into this patently false version of himself, had the balls to call Falwell, and Pat Robertson agents of intolerance.Even after his morphing began he still took stands on torture when it wasn't to his advantage, was prominent in the so-called gang of 14 and when most democrats were playing quiet bitch, McCain was calling out Rummy for fucking up Iraq. Yes McCain opposed the GI bill presented but he opposed it because the military is creating a work environment that's making it better to get in and get out as opposed to making it a career.McCain has his flaws no doubt, but the man has a history that leads me to believe that when matters of judgment come up, he's the better choice of the offerings.
Where are Obama's stands? Where has he fought and died on principle? When has he ever put his balls on the chopping block when it counts?Where was he when the vote on Iran came up?The same vote he would later call reckless. Where were his new politics after Edwards stopped blocking for him? When he was called a Muslim? When his patriotism was questioned? To all those things he could have taken more forceful stands and killed the attacks dead but instead? He makes a pretty and empty speech about patriotism and espouses his "Kansas values".
Oh look! The highly educated support Obama! Wait! they also supported Kerry and Gore and Adlai Stevenson! Why do you think a degree equates to actual wisdom? Hell, media pundits prove education means crap every time you turn on the T.V., along with stupid books like "What's the matter with Kansas?", and the most telling? Bush holds a Bachelor's in History(Yale) and an MBA from Harvard. Education means shit.
Where are Obama's supporters of new politics? So far all I've seen is no facts and all bluster and when you point it out you get spammed with personal attacks and no facts. Isn't the whole point of his campaign to have actual rational discourse with those who disagree with you? What I've found over the past year is that when you seriously try that with an Obama supporter, all you get is the other guy's flaws and messianic bullshit. Why even bother anymore? Just acknowledge reality, your guy won't change anything except his words and is nothing more than an ordinary politician. That has been all I've wanted from the die hards like yourself from the very start. Can Obama be great? Yes but not until people acknowledge him for who he is, not who he presents or who they want him to be.
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I used my best efforts to try and be supportive of SOE and did everything in my power to try and keep things professional and courteous between SOE and it's players... I will not stand back and be blamed for the incompetence of SOE management.
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I need to stop visiting this site, but I need my seasonal dose of spectating trainwrecks.
I used to care about these kind of things, then i realized, it really doesn't even matter, so why bother!
ps, racism has, does, and always will exist.
Everyone has some in them, whether they show it or not. Get over it.
edit - at first, tldr, but i went back and read it.
obama didn't fight back when he was called a muslim? he didnt stand up for his patriotism?
seriously?
why the fuck should he have to prove hes not a muslim, i mean, hes stated multiple times that hes NOT a muslim, and people still go and call him one based on what exactly?
so, the uneducated, will blast him with unpatriotic, muslim, racial comments.
intervention in Bosnia when his party was against it(mostly because Bill was for it), pulling out from Somalia because of the lack of mission clarity/purpose and before he morphed into this patently false version of himself, had the balls to call Falwell, and Pat Robertson agents of intolerance.
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Even after his morphing began he still took stands on torture when it wasn't to his advantage,
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was prominent in the so-called gang of 14 and when most democrats were playing quiet bitch, McCain was calling out Rummy for fucking up Iraq.
Yes McCain opposed the GI bill presented but he opposed it because the military is creating a work environment that's making it better to get in and get out as opposed to making it a career.
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McCain has his flaws no doubt, but the man has a history that leads me to believe that when matters of judgment come up, he's the better choice of the offerings.
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