How much of it is in our own heads? - Page 3

Illuminator · 07-10-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

Who says the government will be paying for your health care?

Every road leads there no matter how contorted the schemes become in the effort to say otherwise.

Otis · 07-10-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Every road leads there no matter how contorted the schemes become in the effort to say otherwise.

"no one"

Check.

Laodaron · 07-10-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

Who says the government will be paying for your health care?

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Originally Posted by Otis

"no one"

Check.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pd...reFullPlan.pdf

I think you're slightly mistaken.

Also-
http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the...iled-anal.html

If you've worked hard during your life and ended up making more than 250k a year, and think its unfair that you only get taxed 48%, and believe you should get taxed more, vote Obama. You can make a difference by paying for other people's healthcare.

And on a serious note, this is a decent read.
http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspo...ck-obamas.html

Otis · 07-10-2008, 09:36 PM

Oh?

Please point me to where it says the government will pay your medical bills.

Laodaron · 07-10-2008, 10:08 PM

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Making health insurance universal, which will reduce spending on uncompensated
care.

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The Obama campaign estimates his health care reform plan will cost between $50 and $65 billion a year when fully phased in. He assumes that it will be paid from savings in the system and from discontinuing the Bush tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 per year.

First 2 pages of the first 2 links I posted.

quamdar · 07-10-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

Oh?

Please point me to where it says the government will pay your medical bills.

page 4, subsidies.

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Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need assistance WILL RECEIVE INCOME-RELATED FEDERAL SUBSIDIES to keep health insurance premiums affordable. They can use the subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.

they might not pay it all (it doesn't say what % it will pay or what the line is for needing assistance) but they will pay for some people.

Deson · 07-10-2008, 10:15 PM

They beat me to it. All I can add is that when you want to abbreviate analysis in a url.. or anything for that matter, anal is never a good choice unless you intend to mislead.

Otis · 07-10-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

First 2 pages of the first 2 links I posted.

a) I see references to health insurance. But none to medical bills.

b) I see a reference to overall costs, but no comparisons to what costs are now with regards to covering medeical expenses of the uninsured under the current system.

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Originally Posted by quamdar

page 4, subsidies.

they might not pay it all (it doesn't say what % it will pay or what the line is for needing assistance) but they will pay for some people.

Again, references to health insurance, not healthcare.

quamdar · 07-11-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Otis

a) I see references to health insurance. But none to medical bills.

b) I see a reference to overall costs, but no comparisons to what costs are now with regards to covering medeical expenses of the uninsured under the current system.

Again, references to health insurance, not healthcare.

so it isn't paying for healthcare, just health insurance that will pay for your healthcare. to me that sounds like essentially the same thing.

Otis · 07-11-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by quamdar

so it isn't paying for healthcare, just health insurance that will pay for your healthcare. to me that sounds like essentially the same thing.

Aside from the fact that the distinction comes from Illuminator's post:

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

If the Democrats have the federal government paying for my healthcare, can they also get it to pay for my gas and eq2 subscriptions? [emhasis added]

the differences are the crux of the whole discussion, and couldn't be more stark.

Anyone who tells you that Obama wants the government (and in turn the tax payer) to pay for EVERYONE's healthcare is not only grossly misinformed, but listens to way too much Hannity.