quamdar

i don't know anything about illuminator's RL situation and how much he makes and obama's plan doesn't say exactly where he is making the cutoff for giving government subsidies so i don't think anyone (not even illuminator, unless he is very rich) can say for sure that the government won't be paying for his healthcare unless somewhere else obama has set a clear cutoff for who exactly would get subsidies and who won't.

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Krontak

His financial adviser that is behind his economic plan is gone. There is no way he is remaining in the campaign.

Gramm's statements, along with his wife being on the Enron board of directors during its fall and having previously deregulated energy in CA allowing for the false energy crisis, and Gramms work on deregulation of the commodities trading market being partially responsible for this ridiculous gas speculation, along with Gramms deregulation partially responsible for the housing market, along with McCains statements back in April stating this economic downturn is completely psychological and we just need a psychological bump and his famous, I don't know much about the economy and his "I have Alan Greenspans Book I'm going to read", have completely destroyed any credibility he may of had on the economy.

McCain and his advisor are so out of touch with this country its insane. They've got the public convinced that rather than them getting additional tax cuts that if business and the wealthiest Americans are doing well, they are doing well, even though its us little people that are struggling.

Gramm might be a genius for business but it stops there.

People need to learn this. What is good for business doesn't necessarily always pass to the American people.

There is a reason business ships jobs overseas, it is good for their bottom line. In the mean time, U.S. workers suffer.

McCain and his adviser have the belief that, if its good for big business, then it must be good for the average, blue collar worker in the U.S.

This is false and people are being deceived.


Besides, none of this matters once this story breaks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us...ll&oref=slogin

It's late now and I'm off to bed.

quamdar

that article is hilarious, can't wait to see what happens there.

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Laodaron

Semantics. Way to attempt to mislead. The intelligent among us can decipher that its all the same thing. Subsidized insurance means I pay for others to go to the doctor. Its that simple.

Illuminator

Already out there, and already addressed.

Wikipedia to the rescue once again. Both of McCain's parents were United States citizens, and McCain's dad was a naval officer stationed in Panama under the orders of the federal government.

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

...a law passed in 1790. Surely you don't think the same people who wrote the Constitution itself only three years prior didn't have a hand in writing this law as well to clarify? Which speaks volumes about original intent, the very rationale that led to the recent Supreme Court decision on the Second Amendment.

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Bow down before the one you serve. You're going to get what you deserve.

Skaer

Health insurance provided via government will only cover the basic needs, meaning it may not even cover your typical doctor check up. It may only cover ER trips and inoculations.

Meaning tax payers only pay for the most basic needs of other individuals, which I still don't believe is correct.

This is only speculation, I haven't read any of Obama's plans for health care, and I don't even know if the specifications for the insurance plans have been outlined. However, I feel it is safe to assume that much.

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Stereotypes we fought them
Just by the places I had brought him the life of intolerance was shortened
I guess society had missed him when they counted out the citizens
they build a house of freedom but
somehow they couldn't fit him in.

"Life of Brian" - The Procussions

Otis

Obama's plan is detailed. But essentially, if you have insurance already, not much changes. He's basically talking about making insurance more accessable to lower income individuals/families.

I know that one if his proposals to partially pay for it is having employers who do not contribute to employee health benefits instead kick into the national plan. I'm guessing similar to the way workmans comp works now.

But what he's not talking about is nationalized health insurance for everyone.

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Panthera

The reverse, however, usually is. If it is bad for business, people will generally feel the effects.

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Panthera

I've read similar and it is a horrible idea. Hillary's was even worse. It has been a while since I read the study however.

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Steveaux

The problem is we already have a National Healthcare program and it's a nightmare. It's called Medicare and once you are 65 it's your primary insurance regardless of what other coverage you have. In no small part Medicare drives the price for most procedures you will have in the hospital. You want to look for a culprit in the rising cost of healthcare? Look no further than Medicare itself. When hospitals started becoming money making operations it was in no small part do to Medicare and learning to "milk" the systems.

The issue is fairly complicated but National Healthcare for the poor isn't going to be the wonder that everyone thinks it will be.

The really sad truth these days is I see large corporations are really the key players in this election. Who we elect is largely irrelevant. People talk about Bush being unpopular but most folks forget that Congress which is controlled slightly by the democrats is just as low in the polls. Nothing changed when they got a majority. It's all just for appearances. Anyway right now I'd rather see Obama in office but again theres very little substational difference between them.