Widem

this is incorrect, you wont see gas prices going down because our economy gets better.

i think you confused the cause and effect just because it happened at relatively the same time.

gas prices have been goign up for the past 5 years. and until recently our economy was stellar, but yet gas still went up. once gas tipped to high, cuople with collateral problems the preverbial shit hit the fan.

Just trying to explain it a different way, i think you have the cause and effect confused.

Rothrek

Our economy isn't getting that bad, gas prices are going up because of fear, fear is ruling our country.

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stivan

I honestly think that pumping oil is the wrong idea. Right now people are being forced to find alternative solutions - although nothing has been presented, I'm sure there are people out there trying to find them. If we go back to the era of lower gas prices people will just forget and nothing will come of it. History will repeat itself 50 years down the line for another generation of people.

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PickensPlan


I don't 100% agree with this guy, but he's putting his money where his mouth is. That's capitalism. That's beautiful. That works.

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Widem

I agree if you don't implement a long term plan. The big problem is people adamantly will only accept a long term or short term plan, which is just shocking to me.

I don't see how increasing supply to ease up on demand will effect any of the government sponsored research people are already talking about pumping into the renewable energy department.

stivan

The problem is we will be supporting oil producting - which is ruining our country. We depend too much on it. The oil companies have too much influence in our government. There are other alternatives to a short term plan - look at the "Pickensplan" that Cracatoa linked.

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Widem

"The oil companies have to much influence in our government."

I get it now, your a hippie and will not succumb to reason. You don't care about energy and its costs and efficiency. Its simply some perverted crusade.

First off, if you think "Pickensplan" is a short term plan you are absolutely insane. To retrofit close to half a billion vehicles to be ran off of natural gas as well as build thousands of 400ft tall wind turbines is going to happen over night. From a vehicle standpoint it will take years for consumers to phase out their vehicles.

Furthermore, Wind Powers ultimate failure is in order to harness it the generator must be inanimate. This completely rules out vehicles, which is why the plan relies so heavily on natural gas as an alternative to oil. So wind power's main competitor are things such as nuclear, coal, solar, and the most similar hydro electric (b/c nuclear, coal, and solar at least have the possiblity of being transported with a movable object as fuel whereas hydro cannot).

Don't get me wrong I love wind power, but there are obvious limitations to it, and when comparing it to oil its a completely different breed.

In this plan the limitation is obviously understood, which is why its not even mentioned as transportable enrgy. Instead they use natural gas which is just totally mindboggling b/c the means of getting natural gas is almost identical to that of oil. Shale = heat up rock and get oil and natural gas. Drill = Drill in ground get oil and natural gas. So that part makes absolutely 0 sense to me.

Panthera

First, I agree with you on private industry. But you have to define what you mean by "success." Regardless of how you feel about the invention, the Manhattan Project was quite succesful.

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kaif

While I will agree with most of what you said, a Gas Tax Holiday will not work. I don't think we would see a reduction of price at the pump, gas station owners will just collect the monies that use to go to tax.

Drilling more is the only short term answer we have right now. Drilling our own oil is the "bridge" we need to get through the next 10 to 20 years till we can find a new energy source / technology.

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Widem

This is definately not true, gas station owners have always had a 4-6 cent markup on product. Currently, their profits are around just over a 1% margin. Gas Stations make their money in the Convenient Store, gas just gets you to stop.

Why? Gas stations are so heavily competative they can't charge more than the cost of doing business. So in essence a fuel from a marina or in the middle of buttfucking nowhere thats a possibility. If you live in society, nope, its just not how gas stations operate.

Edit - The biggest downfall to the gas tax holiday is it pretty much is the government subing gas. Another stimulus check or a gas tax holiday is the same thing. Cash is flowing out of the government into the hands of the people. Its something that is not sustainable whatsoever b/c of how much it would cost the government.