14% Approval Rating for congress. - Page 6

Ethar · 07-18-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Miroh

Same thing can be said for a lot of companies throughout the US.

Yea, I know but I still don't like it. Having out of town workers is good for the local economy but it makes me sad to see an Ethanol plant hire 20 people and the closest one to being from in town is from 3 hours away.

Ah well, at least they didn't build it in China. Vice-Grip plant where my mechanical engineering masters student type buddy is an intern is moving to the land of the slanty eyes.

stivan · 07-18-2008, 07:39 PM

Offshore drilling wont give us results for atleast 5 years - as it WILL take atleast this long to get a plant regulated and running. We will be paying 10 dollars a gallon before we see any return from offshore drilling. Besides - in the end we will sell the oil overseas - and im sure the profit from this is the only thing that is on the mind of these oil companies - they could care less if we pay less or more. Infact, they prefer we pay more since they can make more money.

Oil companies are pure evil. Simple as that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lieing to themselves.

We need to find alternatives, fast.

Maybe now that the gas is rising people will be more interested in buying more economical cares. Wait - this is already happening. Didn't GM just say they are reducing the production of their trucks and closing a bunch of plants to focus on making more cars that are economical?

Oopo · 07-18-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stivan

Offshore drilling wont give us results for atleast 5 years - as it WILL take atleast this long to get a plant regulated and running. We will be paying 10 dollars a gallon before we see any return from offshore drilling. Besides - in the end we will sell the oil overseas - and im sure the profit from this is the only thing that is on the mind of these oil companies - they could care less if we pay less or more. Infact, they prefer we pay more since they can make more money.

Oil companies are pure evil. Simple as that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lieing to themselves.

We need to find alternatives, fast.

Maybe now that the gas is rising people will be more interested in buying more economical cares. Wait - this is already happening. Didn't GM just say they are reducing the production of their trucks and closing a bunch of plants to focus on making more cars that are economical?

The only reason the oil would be shipped to other countries is because WE DON'T HAVE THE REFINING CAPACITY TO HANDLE ALL OF OUR OIL PRODUCTION. I'm sure the oil companies would love to keep the oil close in order to avoid the high transportation costs. You say that it'll take 5 years to have any effect but alternative fuel is going to take a much longer than that with much higher initial costs. And please tell me what business is not in business to make money? You sound rediculous.

Illuminator · 07-18-2008, 07:51 PM

Congress could easily make that part of the deal: you may drill in U.S. territorial waters BUT all resulting oil must only be sold domestically.

stivan · 07-18-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oopo

The only reason the oil would be shipped to other countries is because WE DON'T HAVE THE REFINING CAPACITY TO HANDLE ALL OF OUR OIL PRODUCTION. I'm sure the oil companies would love to keep the oil close in order to avoid the high transportation costs. You say that it'll take 5 years to have any effect but alternative fuel is going to take a much longer than that with much higher initial costs. And please tell me what business is not in business to make money? You sound rediculous.

Of course they are in it to make money. The funny part is that the same people who would get those plants up here in the US are in the same group of people that are raping us right now anyways.

Oopo · 07-18-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stivan

Of course they are in it to make money. The funny part is that the same people who would get those plants up here in the US are in the same group of people that are raping us right now anyways.

What do you mean? Oil is a commodity. You sell it at the price the world market prices it at. How exactly are they raping us?

Miroh · 07-19-2008, 03:17 AM

Go for the Shale, thats all I have to say.

Hexus · 07-19-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethar

Ethanol also takes a huge amount of water and reduces food supply. If ethanol is cheap enough despite the increase in food costs (all that corn is not being grown for food) to actually save money over regular gasoline, I have no idea. You can make ethanol out of other things than just corn of course, but I'm from Nebraska so of course we use corn. Ethanol is also hugely subsidized as far as I know, which means we're 'paying' for cheaper gasoline.

I'm not saying this because I disapprove of ethanol. I'm just trying to point out that many of our solutions have shitty side effects and what is best is rarely cut and dry these days...

The only thing that really pisses me off about these companies that build ethanol plants in our small towns, is that they build the plant and don't fucking hire locally. It's bullshit.

We've been paying farmers for years NOT to plant fucking crops, because we can easily produce so much more than we need to eat. The shit sat rotting in silo's because we couldn't sell it fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Oopo

I don't think there's been a major US spill from an offshore rig since the 1960's and the oil industry has gotten a lot better at what they do since then. I don't see terrorists being a problem.

Our economy's slowing down and pumping oil is like creating wealth out of thin air. The decision of whether to drill or not is pretty simple to me.

Terrorists aren't going to fucking attack an oil freighter near where they live. That would be like an american blowing up a McDonalds.

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Congress could easily make that part of the deal: you may drill in U.S. territorial waters BUT all resulting oil must only be sold domestically.

Sorry, but we're victims of our own capitalism here. Free Trade and all, don't want to be a Communist regime now do we?... /laff

Here ya go:

Bogged down/Most expensive places to buy gas
RankCountry Price/gal
1.Eritrea $9.58
2.Norway $8.73
3.United Kingdom $8.38
4.Netherlands $8.37
5.Monaco $8.31
6.Iceland $8.28
7.Belgium $8.22
8.France $8.07
9.Germany $7.86
10.Portugal $7.84
108.United States $3.45

Feel any better now? Wanna feel worse?

Cruisin' Where gasoline is cheapest
RankCountry Price/gal
1.Venezuela 12 cents
2.Iran 40 cents
3.Saudi Arabia 45 cents
4.Libya 50 cents
5.Swaziland 54 cents
6.Qatar 73 cents
7.Bahrain 81 cents
8.Egypt 89 cents
9.Kuwait 90 cents
10.Seychelles 98 cents
44.United States $3.45

By the way, that list is current as of May 1, 2008.

-Hexus-

Oopo · 07-19-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Congress could easily make that part of the deal: you may drill in U.S. territorial waters BUT all resulting oil must only be sold domestically.

I don't understand how that'd help anything since we don't have an oil shortage. If they're selling oil overseas it means they're getting more money for it over there than here. In order for that to happen, we'd have to be getting oil for cheaper than the oil companies are selling it overseas or it wouldn't be more profitable for them to sell it overseas. If anything requiring oil companies to sell domestically would just raise prices even more.

Ethar · 07-19-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hexus

We've been paying farmers for years NOT to plant fucking crops, because we can easily produce so much more than we need to eat. The shit sat rotting in silo's because we couldn't sell it fast enough.

Care to back up the 'we could produce enough?' I'm sorry I would love to take a random guy on the internets word for it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/opinion/10thu1.html

YOu know that whole thing about when demand goes up and supply goes down (ie using so much corn for corn based Ethanol) the price going up?

Terrorists aren't going to fucking attack an oil freighter near where they live. That would be like an american blowing up a McDonalds.

I'm sorry I thought we were dealing with people who intentionally detonate car bombs in crowded markets to target civillians. My bad for thinking these people just might not give a shit what they have to do to make a point.