John McCain's Neverending War - Page 7

Deson · 07-28-2008, 10:59 AM

Again thanks but that hardly makes up for the ridiculous bias during the primary and the overall historical bias. Plus, 3 anchors on his trip with the promise of interviews and unbelievable coverage.

Last 6 weeks eh? Campaign finance, the Surge, NAFTA, FISA

Of course, we can both agree McCain should feel lucky he's irrelevant.

Panthera · 07-28-2008, 12:06 PM

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Some more food for thought:

In study, evidence of liberal-bias bias - Los Angeles Times

How can you quantify something that is subjective? Two people can see the exact same event and have completely different opinions.

The one example given of how they rank positive vs negative speaks nothing of context. While it sounds "negative" to say "Obama has problems with white male voters," if that is said in the same sentence as "but every other aspect of humanity deems him a demi-god" that hardly qualifies as harsh criticism.

Widem · 07-28-2008, 12:13 PM

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On a different note, I don't even understand what the big argument over Iraq is anymore. McCain and Obama have almost the exact same plan. The only difference is Obama says I will pull troop out in 18 months, whereas McCain says that he thinks its foolish to set an exact timetable because that sort of thing has proved problematic in the past. They are already pulling some troops out of Iraq so first off I don't get why McCain just doesn't say "with the way things are going I feel we will be able to start serious withdrawls very early in my presidency" and why Obama doesn't say "i'm going to continue withdrawing troops as is being done now"

Pretty stupid when you see reality, but most people only see politics, which is what they are politicians.

Look further into the future. In 2 years and assume one or the other has won the presidency. Under Obama's plan all of our troops except for around 2000 (permanent? he hasnt elaborated just said he's leaving troops there for awhile.) will be out of Iraq. Unfortunately they won't be at home, they will be in Afghanistan. So essentially, same amount of troops fighting and same cost. As far as McCain, I have no doubt in my mind that troop drawdown is at hand, the Iraqis want it, the US wants it, and even more important the security there is getting better mostly b/c the security forces have no gotten a good foothold and very well trained as well as improved economic conditions. All the drawdown troops then go to Afghanistan and is wow, the same thing.

As far as this war goes, its going to play out the exact same way either way you throw it.

Holy shit widem you about a week smarter than the media and still have to have it pointed out to you by the candidates.

Candidates deny shifting on Iraq - CNN.com

Otis · 07-28-2008, 12:39 PM

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How can you quantify something that is subjective? Two people can see the exact same event and have completely different opinions.

The one example given of how they rank positive vs negative speaks nothing of context. While it sounds "negative" to say "Obama has problems with white male voters," if that is said in the same sentence as "but every other aspect of humanity deems him a demi-god" that hardly qualifies as harsh criticism.

The very argument is subjective and perspective based. From the assertion that Obama "Gets a pass" from the media who is "in the tank" for him, to the assertion of the opposite.

Personally however, when I see shit like CBS News switching and editing McCain's answers to questions during an interview to "better represent the candidate's views to the public", the whole notion that the media is either liberal, objective, or in the tank for Obama borders on idiocy.

Deson · 07-28-2008, 12:48 PM

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The very argument is subjective and perspective based. From the assertion that Obama "Gets a pass" from the media who is "in the tank" for him, to the assertion of the opposite.

Personally however, when I see shit like CBS News switching and editing McCain's answers to questions during an interview to "better represent the candidate's views to the public", the whole notion that the media is either liberal, objective, or in the tank for Obama borders on idiocy.

While I agree the edit was BS, you can't just take one example and dismiss the larger perspective. Obama has gotten hordes of praise he has no real claim to. They give McCain a pass because of history and because he built up a rapport with them. What has Obama done for the same?

Otis · 07-28-2008, 12:53 PM

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While I agree the edit was BS, you can't just take one example and dismiss the larger perspective. Obama has gotten hordes of praise he has no real claim to. They give McCain a pass because of history and because he built up a rapport with them. What has Obama done for the same?

lol - I can't win. You ask for one example, I give a couple (that you've even acknowledged), and yet you're still looking for more.

I don't want either candidate to get a pass. I'm just sick of seeing and reading nothing but bullshit...EVERYWHERE.

Deson · 07-28-2008, 01:02 PM

You gave a couple of recent examples. The history and overall arch still apply. Fortunately though people are really starting to investigate Obama's proposals and finding flaws so eventually it may just all be moot. Doesn't erase the earlier bullshit though.

Panthera · 07-28-2008, 01:11 PM

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Doesn't erase the earlier bullshit though.

Like in 2000 when McCain got a virtual pass?

Deson · 07-28-2008, 01:17 PM

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Like in 2000 when McCain got a virtual pass?

You mean like after over 15 years of service plus some very notable actions of political courage on his part? Not saying he didn't get a pass but he worked for it for damn sure.

Otis · 07-28-2008, 01:27 PM