Otis

Ahh, so the "Surge" was all Congress' idea. That's why McCain keeps wanting to take credit for it. Then why doesn't he want to take credit for Invading in the first place? He was in Congress at the time.

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Deson

Fair enough. That was the intended point though. McCain's bias, while equally deplorable, comes from a long history and a cultivated familiarity with the press. Obama's comes from a speech in 2004 that is now of questionable veracity. The press corps, without the veil of accomplishment or even familiarity, has since decided to make Obama a redeemer, even as he has not only proven himself otherwise but also as he stumbled throughout 2007.

The President does have immediate action authority that last for 90 days without real check from Congress.

And again, if China can yank all the world away from the U.S. by way of competitive influence, why would it build anything more than a defense force to keep the U.S. out? What good are weapons your enemy denies you the opportunity to use? Likewise, if all out hot wars are going to be proxy, wouldn't Rumsfeld be right to have wanted a force built for such conflicts?

I don't recall him denying credit for it. That's all Democrats there. And technically he is a Senator so yeah, it would be all Congress' idea heh

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Otis

I wasn't talking to you.

I know you at least understand the reality of what's going on, regardless of whether I share your opinion.

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Deson

I know but the joke was there!
Edit: Thanks.

Edit 2: Novak has a tumor. You starting to think there is a God and he's making his rounds for vengeance?

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Otis

Nah, Novak's about as relevent as dental floss.

What's your take on this whole visit the troops-gate? You can't be too warm and fuzzy about McCain these days.

I actually read a (crazy - It's not mine lol) theory today that the GOP never planned to nominate McCain at the convention. That he's going kamikaze on Obama so the real nominee won't have to.

It would explain the outright lying, smearing and just plain crazy behavior he's doing personally, as opposed to leaving that to surrogates as is the norm. But I'm not buying it, he's just a skell.

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Deson

No, no I'm not too warm and fuzzy, I've said that since the start of the campaign. Don't get me wrong, I support him because the man is still who he was 15 years ago but man it's making my stomach turn when he opens his mouth. Troops-gate(gate, bleh. find a new suffix press!) is bullshit just like that damn Obama caused high gas prices video. It's just like Hillary, he's in panic mode and just trying to get traction. What irritates me most about it is that it completely betrays the man he demonstrated himself to be even as recently as 2004 when he defended John Kerry against the Swift Boat vets.The supreme irony of thios whole thing is that by appealing to the active base of the party, he alienates his own base more and more daily. Were he to still present himself as the man he is, Obama would be toast come November. McCain's only saving factors are his long history and that American voters don't tune in until the conventions.

Ironically, that theory falls apart precisely because of who John McCain is. He wouldn't make such a move without the political and ethical needs so everything he's doing is genuine so he can prove to the Asshole wing of the Republicans that he is one of them.

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Otis

Dude, fifteen years is a long time. It might be time to face reality that that guy might be no more.

I can tell you that the guy I see in front of me is no President.

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Deson

15 years is a long time and I'd say it too but he was still that man in 2007. Like I said, he's a terrible liar and panderer so, as was proven with his tax policy "reversal", I know when he's full of shit. Last year he rode Iraq and immigration reform to his political grave. 1 year is not that long and if you watch him you can see that when he's actually discussing rational policy as opposed to panders, he actually gets engaged. He's still the same guy. Just ask Rush, Hannity and Coulter during the primaries. They called it exactly as it is, McCain's victory will be the death of the Republican party as we know it and that is not at all a bad thing.

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Otis

I think the Primary in 2000 killed the old McCain, personally. Not that that McCain inspires me all that much either, but that doesn't change that which we have now before us.

Oh, and mark my words, that tax policy "reversal" is going to come back to bite him. I get the sense that Obama's realizing the disconnect from reality, and implosion that's going on with McCain's campaign and giving him the rope with which to hang himself.

And McCain's obliging, God bless him. lol

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Deson

No argument at all. It's pretty sad to watch on the whole really. 2000 didn't kill McCain though, if anything it made him stronger. The problem actually showed up post 9/11 when the Repugnant wing of the party acquired even more power. At that point, opposing Bush became treason and everything not Republican a hanging offense. At that point McCain saw the party he was in, realized ( after an deciding not to go Dem in 2002) what it took to really win and made the compromises he felt he needed. I don't like it, never have but when faced with my current choices, McCain is who I know and trust. His actions over 30+ years of public service have given me a record I can trust despite whatever he says.

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