Krontak

Laod, not what I meant. These don't kick in until something like 2 million I think? Obama wanted to increase this to something like 4 million. Once you hit that mark, yeah, you'd start paying taxes. Everything below 4 million wouldn't be touched. I think this tax was put in back in the 30's/40's or something and was to be temporary. But this, like many other accounts like Social Security, have become so intertwined into our yearly Federal Budgets, ripping them out would cause some serious problems and I'm guessing it would take some time to play with budgets to get this necessity removed.

Deson

Compromise as the only solution is bunk. That only happens when people see compromise as a virtue and aren't willing to tell the hard political truths. Obama is willing to "compromise" on the potential of untold billions in environmental damage and useless drilling just to "compromise". He had the high ground on the issue and conceded it for political expedience. There must be lines that cannot be crossed; there must be points you are not willing to go beyond for compromise to mean shit. What if Bill Clinton had "compromised" in 1995 to keep the government running? If you aren't willing to play a game of chicken or to stand against all odds, what good are you as a leader? If compromise is what Obama offers, he should stay and actually do something in the senate.

McCain flipped? Maybe he did. But I suspect it has to also do with a belief in long term energy solutions while offering a shoring up of what we have now. Remember, he has actually pushed for some time for environmental issues and green technology,maybe he actually does believe in protecting ANWR? You speak of McCain as if he didn't push his energy ideas but I ask, how is he going to negotiate against his own party on energy since he was aligned with the Dems? If it were all about political expedience, why would he have disagreed with his party in the first place? McCain is also defended by a long record of real compromise. He's worked with more Dems than Obama and has more prominent bi-partisan activities than Obama even during Obama's time in the senate. What's the last good bit of legislation Obama put his balls up for, let alone passed?What was the last good bit of bipartisan rebellion he's performed? McCain's not a saint by any means but he's far more substantial than your messiah if you're going to get sanctimonious on compromise and flip flopping.

In any event, this is an Obama thread started by you. Defend your guy, don't just shill for him. I wouldn't even be saying anything about the energy policy were it not for all the holier than thou talk by Obama on the issue of the environment and "long term solutions". This is yet another example like FISA and NAFTA where his rhetoric as gotten "overheated and exaggerated". If you can't trust what a man with no record says to be the truth, why vote for him over the man with a fairly good one and who at the very least is not anathema to you and your causes? If what Obama offers is so-called compromise, the Repubs had better start campaigning for him because it looks like they'll get better deals out of him than McCain with a Dem congress.

In 4 years if Obama wins, you'll miss W. I promise.

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Otis

I started the thread.

And I promise you, I'll never miss Bush. Mark my words.

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Deson

Bah, got my threads crossed again. Never say never. Just because you miss him doesn't mean you have to like him. I doubt many that miss Saddam and the Taliban really miss them beyond what they represented. Bush is a very clear entity; someone you can hate and know you oppose. What do you do when the guy selling you out is one of your own and doing it as "compromise"?

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Laodaron

Nah, you're too hard headed to admit you're wrong. However, the truth is, advocating Obama over Bush would be funny if it wouldn't be detrimental to our entire society...and you will realize your errors soon enough.

Rinion

Understood. Otis doesn't like bush, only shaved.

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Kin Meds tbh

When women start talking, men stop listening. Men can’t stop listening to tits.

Proof

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Meds "Mangina4L" tbh

drychnath

Just as soon as you tell me how people will fly across the country in hours without it.

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Everything is on a great scale upon this continent, the rivers are immense, the climate violent in heat and cold, the prospects magnificent, the thunder and lightning tremendous, the disorders incident to the country make every constitution tremble. Our own blunders here, our misconduct, our losses, our disgraces, our ruin Are On a Great Scale.
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Otis

We're gonna have to figure it out soon, whether you like it or not.

Burying our heads in the sand and pretending oil will last forever is not an option.

The longer we wait, the more difficult the transition will be.

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drychnath

There are renewable oils, they probably will be the solution that keeps us flying long after the black crap in the ground is gone, but it's still oil.

There is no electric solution for this kind of quick travel. Not to mention harvesting grain in combines that run on diesel, trains run on electricity powered by diesel, ships that are used for the basic infrastructure of world economy run on diesel, trucks that transport the shit you buy run on diesel. Look for all of the plastic shit you have in arm's reach... OIL! Oil evereywhere!

And obama's proposal that we all "check our tire inflation" as a means to save on gas will net an 800,000 barrel per YEAR reduction in oil consumption, max... Compared to the 10million barrels used a day. Nice going! he's able to reduce our consumtion by less than .00003%!! such a smart plan! maybe if he comes up with 300million more ideas we'll start getting somewhere!

And then there's this idea of a windfall profits tax on Oil companies who's profit margin is less than 10%... compared to the electronics industry at 19.8%... Pharmaceuticals at 14.7%... Cigarettes, nasty, icky cigarettes 12.9%.... The only reason oil makes so much money is because there's so much of it used. It's not a windfall profit if you look at the margins. its a pretty shitty investment compared with all of the other options out there.

Wake the hell up.

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EQ2: Avenger Drychnath Malcherion -AB

Everything is on a great scale upon this continent, the rivers are immense, the climate violent in heat and cold, the prospects magnificent, the thunder and lightning tremendous, the disorders incident to the country make every constitution tremble. Our own blunders here, our misconduct, our losses, our disgraces, our ruin Are On a Great Scale.
-Lord Carlisle