Hoss

I guess I get to be the first to quote (or at least paraphrase) Ben Franklin. "Those that would trade Liberty for Security are worthy of neither"

A true conservative would say the answer is to allow the residents who are willing to fight for their community to fight for it, and evac the ones who aren't. Another famous quote (but I don't know who said this one) "All that is required for evil to prosper is that good men do nothing".

I have no idea what the gun control laws are around there (can't even remember which state it was in) but that's where I'd be looking first. There is something in that community that turned honest people into unarmed victims.

It *might* be too late for that, if its really as bad around there as yall are making it out to be. In that case, declare a state of emergency, invoke martial law, and get it cleaned up quickly. That does not conflict with out civil liberties. Are your rights being violated when a house is on fire, and the police stop you from getting close? Are rights violated when there's a hostage situation and the cops put up barricades to keep you away until its resolved?

Oh wait, sounds like thats what they're doing.



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Laodaron

This is far from true conservatism, and as a conservative, I'd have to say the ACLU jumping in is more of a violation of state's rights. Before the ACLU should get involved, the issue SHOULD get all the way to the supreme court docket. /sarcasm off. I didn't post this to have a conservative vs liberal discussion, but for some reason, Otis is bound and determined to slam true conservative values whenever he can.

However, I can't agree with an oppressive government (which liberals want more of, right Otis? MORE government intervention. More government this and more government that?) And I truly HATE douchebag law enforcement.

The reason I posted this, honestly, was because I was flabbergasted that a town in America today, with its criminal defense mentality, was able to actually implement this.

Otis

Hey man, all I did was hold up the mirror. Whether you like it or not, you've thrown your lot in with the leaders of that town.

I didn't put a gun to your head and make you choose that path. And you bashing them, is like you bashing yourself. It's actually pretty funny.

Edit: But not as funny as the thread title coming from you.

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Laodaron

What's really funny is that several times in this thread alone it has been told to you that this is NOT what a true conservative is.

True conservatism merely removes the strangle-hold the federal government has on our necks, and returns choices to the states without dangling tax dollars over their heads.

It does NOT involve violating innocent people's rights. Why is this funny coming from me? Because I'm not inside some little ideological box like you imagine in your fantasy land?

The actions of this town are NOT indicative of a conservative, and anyone who thinks they are is just an idiot.

Otis

Perhaps you missed the part where I acknowledged the difference between contemporary conservatism and "true conservatism", it was right around when I said ...

What's ironic, is that you talk to me about "idealogical boxes" in the same breath you try to parse the black and white differences between conservatism, and true conservatism...only to promptly climb inside the box that is the latter.

Here's a shocker, I've not said that you agree with the actions of this town's leaders, just that whether you like it or not, they call themselves conservatives, and so do you. So I guess your anger is misguided somewhat. You should be mad at pseudo-conservatives who give your "idealogical box" a bad name, not me for pointing it out.

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Laodaron

Oh, Otis, your wordgames are slightly tiresome.

I see what you did, and I'm not mad at them, any more than you get mad at the liberals who support universal health care, welfare, larger federal influence in our lives, on such issues as abortion, marriage(gay or straight), the death pentalty and other social issues that should be left at the state level make real liberals look bad....

They can call themselves Oompa Loompas for all I care. That doesn't mean that they really ARE. The same way that the socialists that believe in wealth redistribution call themselves liberals and make true liberals look bad.

icKx

And I'm sure in the future you'll never assume or misrepresent the Left's viewpoint on any issue until you are properly told exactly what it is, right?

Edit - Lol, you already did it in the post above this before I saw it.

That's one interpretation, although probably a popular one.

Well that's debatable, but hardly worth debating. Conservative is just a broad, generalized term and the movement's views and factions are manifold.

However, I will say that this is the exact type of policy that tends to make "Tough On Crime" Republican voters swoon.

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Otis

I bet.

If I were you, I'd be worn out too.

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Laodaron

No, its just the same sad, almost desperate rhetoric each and every time. You're boring anymore. You just rehash the same battles over and over again, and you just drive yourself in a circle. That's all.

Otis

If that were true, it wouldn't say a whole lot for you that I always wind up with the upper hand.

/shrug

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